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Re: Ask HN: When did 7 interviews become “normal”?

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People get PIP’ed and fired routinely that make it through this process. I think there’s a lot of bias in your response. The process worked for you, you work at a large tech company and it gives you validation. It also makes you feel good to lord over the process and boosts your ego, reinforcing your priors.

What is PIP?

Performance improvement plan.

Re: Ask HN: When did 7 interviews become “normal”?

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post #328
post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People get PIP’ed and fired routinely that make it through this process. I think there’s a lot of bias in your response. The process worked for you, you work at a large tech company and it gives you validation. It also makes you feel good to lord over the process and boosts your ego, reinforcing your priors.

What is PIP?

Performance improvement plan. It’s basically a social credit rating system for employees.

Re: Ask HN: When did 7 interviews become “normal”?

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Having been an interviewer at a FAANG for many years, I can explain some of the logic behind it. I'm not saying this logic is valid , but it's how we got here, imho. First: we no longer trust the hiring manager alone, because probably they aren't a strong developer. We instead trust strong developers that are well trained at evaluating good devs. At the same time, we don't want to thrust a dev onto a hiring manager,…

> First: we no longer trust the hiring manager alone, because probably they aren't a strong developer This is a huge problem IMHO. I topped out at L7 on the FAANG EM track, but that’s dozens of ICs and a few EMs in your org and I still think you need to be able to build the software and review diffs and write serious ones now and again. Clearly this is now only part of your job, not the focus of it, but it’s very dif…

Do people call it a diff in the rest of AANG?

Re: Ask HN: When did 7 interviews become “normal”?

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post #328
post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People get PIP’ed and fired routinely that make it through this process. I think there’s a lot of bias in your response. The process worked for you, you work at a large tech company and it gives you validation. It also makes you feel good to lord over the process and boosts your ego, reinforcing your priors.

What is PIP?

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Re: Ask HN: When did 7 interviews become “normal”?

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It's normal. A company that doesn't do this, unless it's tiny, is a warning sign. Why? Short answer: It's very difficult to work with incompetent colleagues colleagues. Long answer: We don't rely on a credentialing process like other fields do. Some people lie on their resumes or embellish their skills. Other people overestimate their skills. As a result, employers have to determine competence in the interview proces…

Any company that does do this is, at a minimum, telling you that they're incompetent at interviewing. And that might be a warning sign - what else are they incompetent at?

Re: Ask HN: When did 7 interviews become “normal”?

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Negotiate a 30-day money back guarantee with the firms who send you candidates. They will only send you proven candidates that have been successful elsewhere. Don't bother interviewing or maybe have a one person 30 minute culture sanity check.

I worked at a household name non-tech company and we negotiated such a deal. It worked great.

Re: Ask HN: When did 7 interviews become “normal”?

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post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People get PIP’ed and fired routinely that make it through this process. I think there’s a lot of bias in your response. The process worked for you, you work at a large tech company and it gives you validation. It also makes you feel good to lord over the process and boosts your ego, reinforcing your priors.

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And yet, when you fail these interview processes it's racism from Chinese or Japanese interviewers. Very interesting. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30520988

Re: Ask HN: When did 7 interviews become “normal”?

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This might be an unpopular opinion, but I actually like the current format of 1-2 phone interviews + 4-5 onsite interviews, most of them Leetcode style. All other solutions seem to just increase subjectivity on hiring decisions and make the interview more gameable.

Take home interviews are horrible if you are interviewing for more than one company at a time. It will take a lot of time if you are serious about it, and it will test you much more on how much you dedicate yourself to the problem than on what's your actual skill.

Also the fewer interviews there are, more is the importance of subjective and unjust metrics. I received offers from large (and somewhat good) companies with 1-2 interviews because of my resume. Although I personally benefitted from that, I think it brings a lot of problems for people who went to bad universities/companies, and that is not worth it.

Re: Ask HN: When did 7 interviews become “normal”?

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No. Sort the array. Then use two indexes, one on each side of the array. Increment indexes to meet in the middle. This is one of those tricks you just have to memorize and it's very hard to come up with the solution in 30 min.

But why didn't you use the O(n) solution instead of the O(n log n) solution?

I suppose if you had to optimize for least space used sorting in place and doing it they way they suggested would be best.

Re: Ask HN: When did 7 interviews become “normal”?

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> How is a process like this in any way shape or form efficient or productive? Because hiring the wrong person becomes a colossal waste of time and money.

That's only because you spent thousands having candidates go through 7 interviews.

Stronger: You're also rejecting more candidates. So you're not only wasting the time of 7 interviews, you're wasting the time of 7 interviewss times the N people you interview before you find one you're willing to hire.

And then, as others have said, there's the cost of the people who look at your hiring process and decide that they won't bother to try to jump through your hoops. Hint: They are not the least valuable candidates.

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