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Re: Choose your status game wisely

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> I grew up in the middle class and everyone I knew was in the middle class (or close to it) as well. Therefore, the only time I saw status was on television.

This may be a fish out of water thing, but to many, the middle class is a higher status (hence in the middle). Many in the working class would aspire to the opportunities this person had by high school.

Re: Choose your status game wisely

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post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is literally my height. Repeating it, is about as effective as you'd expect, especially since my son topped six feet. Sometimes you can spot sour grapes at 50 paces.

Intraday height variation and slight changes in posture mean that your height can't really be specified to the half inch.

This doesn't match my experience, because the nurses who've measured me specified it to the half inch, and they did it consistently.

Re: Choose your status game wisely

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I think it's interesting how different people view status, like the "Harvard Professor or Homeless guy?" quiz that used to get passed around. I grew up in one of the last WASP strongholds in the US and the more money you had, the smaller the house you lived in (up to a point). People could afford insanely expensive cars, but would buy tasteful ones instead (excepting kids). Most people wouldn't be caught dead in a Ra…

>where even the wealthiest people are not allowed to move to because they don't have the right last name How is this carried out in practice?

Many homes are never sold, but are passed from one generation to the next. When homes are sold, they are first offered informally to other members of the community before being listed, so they are sold before ever being listed. If people locally have enough money (able to do an all-cash deal quickly) and if it's a nice enough place to live that local demand exceeds supply, the majority of homes might be sold without ever being listed.

If the home is listed, it is listed with one of a few local realtors, who can very subtly steer certain buyers towards and away from certain properties. Even if legal lines are crossed, it's very difficult to prove that laws were broken. It happens less often than it used to, but it still happens. US Senator Corey Booker has at various times shared this story about his family that sheds a bit of light on the phenomenon:

https://www.facebook.com/corybooker/photos/id-like-to-share-...

Re: Choose your status game wisely

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I think it's interesting how different people view status, like the "Harvard Professor or Homeless guy?" quiz that used to get passed around. I grew up in one of the last WASP strongholds in the US and the more money you had, the smaller the house you lived in (up to a point). People could afford insanely expensive cars, but would buy tasteful ones instead (excepting kids). Most people wouldn't be caught dead in a Ra…

That's old money. they have had money in their family so long, it is like the air. They display their status by rejecting conspicuous consumption in all but a few instances. The families tend to be extremely protective. In social settings the conversation can appear like active college professors debating, their educations being really what the spend their time honing.

It’s not just old money that this affects - I’ve noticed that new money, once it achieves a certain degree of security (i.e. enough that you don’t have to work, you won’t lose it or find your needs not met bar some catastrophic world-ending or life-ending circumstance), adopts much the same values. I’ve spent most of my life surrounded by wealth and privilege of various different flavours, and you can practically smell the haves and the have-nots - the latter tend to really care, and conspicuously so, about conventional status ladders. The former… give the appearance of not caring about status at all. It isn’t that they don’t, it’s just that they know they’re at the top of the economic tree, and don’t feel the need to compete in that dimension. The well-read/educated thing is more of a status derived from demonstrating how little you care about conventional status ladders, and the less you care, the higher your status, as if you care so little you must be very secure indeed.

Re: Choose your status game wisely

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My face when I realized that a combover, power tie, fake tan, and trophy wife is really all it takes to sell a median person on it (oh, and millions of dollars).

Next question: why are you seeking being seen this way from a random person?

I'm not, but then again I don't wish to be the president of the United States.

It just strikes me as silly that the traditional status game is so easily gamed (demonstrably effectively).

Re: Choose your status game wisely

#246
By the end I wasn't convinced why I should be playing these games. What's status for? Is it going to make you happy?

Alan Watts:

> We thought of life by analogy with a journey, a pilgrimage, which had a serious purpose at the end, and the thing was to get to that end, success or whatever it is, maybe heaven after you’re dead. But we missed the point the whole way along. It was a musical thing and you were supposed to sing or to dance while the music was being played.

Maybe status gets you a big fancy grave and a televised funeral. Maybe even a "legacy" that can be tracked by structures named after you: ranging from park benches to libraries to aircraft carriers.

Re: Choose your status game wisely

#247

Sometimes you see articles like this that insist that you have to play a status game of some kind etc etc. The hacker in me sees that as even more reason to look for examples of ways alleviate myself of such nonsense. If you read books like "Surely you're joking Mr. Feynman" you run across stories of him playing with Status games and poking fun at them. Though I'm sure one could argue Feynman had status games he play…

>Don't take life so seriously and goof around a little more. Thats how you turn up interesting ideas anyway, not by playing status games. Reading your comment, it sounds like you've got a decent amount of social status without needing to explicitly pursue it. While that's great for you, don't forget that for others, increased status can mean: - No longer being treated like shit by people who get away with it - A soci…

This is a very interesting comment. At first I found myself in strong agreement with GP (believing people chasing status are probably misguided), but after reading your comment I realized that it might have to do with my current status (independently wealthy in a first world country).

In places like China or India, there is indeed a very big difference in QoL between those who have status and/or social power and those who do not.

That being said, it might be better to change your environment (and the people who you surround yourself with), because that will change your status as TFA outlines — without you having to go out of your way to change who you are and what you do.

Easier said than done when this involves changing countries, but it's a long-term strat.

Re: Choose your status game wisely

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, this comment reads like something Commander Data would say in Star Trek. He would always respond to the letter of what was said, while completely missing the human context. It fascinates me that someone who read the parent comment could actually think it was about the legal rights of US citizens. You might as well be claiming it was about hummus :)

So what is it about, then?

They could legally move there, but they would be shunned from the community, and indeed it may be hard for them to find someone willing to even sell them a house.

Re: Choose your status game wisely

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Sometimes you see articles like this that insist that you have to play a status game of some kind etc etc. The hacker in me sees that as even more reason to look for examples of ways alleviate myself of such nonsense. If you read books like "Surely you're joking Mr. Feynman" you run across stories of him playing with Status games and poking fun at them. Though I'm sure one could argue Feynman had status games he play…

It seems strange to me to use a Nobel prize-winning physicist as an example of someone who didn't play status games

He played the science game and was so good at he obtained a Nobel Prize.

Re: Choose your status game wisely

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I think it's interesting how different people view status, like the "Harvard Professor or Homeless guy?" quiz that used to get passed around. I grew up in one of the last WASP strongholds in the US and the more money you had, the smaller the house you lived in (up to a point). People could afford insanely expensive cars, but would buy tasteful ones instead (excepting kids). Most people wouldn't be caught dead in a Ra…

> people are not allowed to move to because they don't have the right last name, or can't trace their lineage to the Mayflower… If you removed these people and put them anywhere else, you'd think of them as low status and strange.

I’ve gotta say, an attitude that someone can’t be your neighbor because their ancestors didn’t have a ticket on some boat is definitely strange, and imo low status, no matter how well read they are.

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