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Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by forum_ghost »

FpUser wrote: post #230
Terry_Roll wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I have learnt is that anything bad reported in the so called british press that other countries do, goes on here in the uk as well. Churchill summed it up best, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, which means people will be made examples of as and when needed.

>"Churchill summed it up best, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" Looking at the cases it seems like "the needs of few" at the top outweigh the needs of many. So cut the BS Mr. Churchill

The needs of the many moneybags, outweighs the needs of the few moneybags.

Seems correct on the money-adjusted metric

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by [deleted] »

liquidise wrote: post #153
paxys wrote: post #126

Crickets from the usual crowd who would be crying "cancel culture!" on all TV and radio for weeks and calling for heads to roll had the tweet been about something other than a cause they support (military worship). Governments and companies continue to get more and more empowered to do this stuff because people always show that it has never really been about freedom but rather pushing their own views.

Disc: american commenting on uk legal matters. > people always show that it has never really been about freedom (emphasis mine) Which people? They always act this way? It was never about freedom, for anyone? Who could possibly say this authoritatively? I think the last ~5 years has put a bright light onto freedom of speech. It is a complicated topic with some surprisingly nuanced positions. Does it include the abilit…

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Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by trelane »

Terry_Roll wrote: post #223
Traster wrote: post #208

There's something I find loathesome about this "Send a message" sentencing. What the judge has done is send a clear message, that he won't sentence you on the merits of the case but will sentence you to serve his own agenda. The only message this sends is that justice has failed. It's always completely transparent who exactly gets made an example of, and who gets off with a slap on the wrist. We'll spend months hunti…

One thing I have learnt is that anything bad reported in the so called british press that other countries do, goes on here in the uk as well. Churchill summed it up best, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, which means people will be made examples of as and when needed.

I think the usual analogy in places where you "have" to hurt some people for some noble Higher Purpose is about omelets and breaking eggs.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by [deleted] »

liquidise wrote: post #153
paxys wrote: post #126

Crickets from the usual crowd who would be crying "cancel culture!" on all TV and radio for weeks and calling for heads to roll had the tweet been about something other than a cause they support (military worship). Governments and companies continue to get more and more empowered to do this stuff because people always show that it has never really been about freedom but rather pushing their own views.

Disc: american commenting on uk legal matters. > people always show that it has never really been about freedom (emphasis mine) Which people? They always act this way? It was never about freedom, for anyone? Who could possibly say this authoritatively? I think the last ~5 years has put a bright light onto freedom of speech. It is a complicated topic with some surprisingly nuanced positions. Does it include the abilit…

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Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by ashtonkem »

weego wrote: post #147
xboxnolifes wrote: post #121

I feel like I must have been corrupted by the internet or something if the tweet in question is considered "grossly offensive". It certainly isn't nice , but 18 months supervision and 150 hours of community service? I don't even know how to put my bafflement into words here.

It's just standard 'edgy' anti-english diatribe from a Scot. It's really nothing I don't hear regularly either out in public or from friend-adjacent people here. It's bad taste and trashy but that's kind of it. The problem is exactly that it's not an unusual attitude to hear. The difference is who it was aimed at. So for me the real issue is that we're cherry picking when we apply a very vague and loosely applied law…

And in classic English fashion, they’ll start picking random Scots to make an example of, and make the problem worse still.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by freedomben »

In many ways, we haven't moved much beyond the middle ages where "make an example" was the standard operating principle. Sure we don't publicly hang or draw & quarter people in the square anymore (which I am glad for of course), but the basic underlying principle of "increase obedience by scaring people when they see what you did to person X" is still very much in use.

I really hope to see our justice system progress toward a system with a goal of reforming people rather than punishing people. Ostensibly that's what the purpose is already, but if you look at the output, it clearly isn't.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by pphysch »

YouTube also removed a channel last week on direct orders from the UK Ministry of Defense, after it published a video prank involving the current Defense Secretary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vovan_and_Lexus#YouTube_ban

Who knows what sort of punishment those guys would have gotten if they were UK "citizens".

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Post by bee_rider »

SkyBelow wrote: post #187
goto11 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Logical fallacies are only fallacies when they are presented as if the conclusion follows by logical necessity from the argument, as in a mathematical proof. Often "logical fallacy" is taking to mean "bad argument", but that not necessarily the case. A slippery slope argument can be a reasonable and valid argument, it is only a fallacy when presented as if A by logical necessity leads to B. But most debate arguments…

This is a point I wish more people would understand. There are logical fallacies that always make for a bad argument and logical fallacies that are reasonable but not logical proofs. For example correlation causation is one that needs to be treated with care, but correlation is often investigated further by scientists to find causation. It does not prove it exists, but it does indicate an area fruitful to research fu…

It even has a name!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by seanhandley »

ledauphin wrote: post #202
MadSudaca wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get it’s UK and may be the most influential western country in the last 200-300 years. But time goes on, countries evolve and often they do so in unexpected ways. My argument is that, at some point we must detach a country from its past (whatever that means) and accept the direction its constituents are now wanting to take. Even if we personally don’t approve of said direction.

I don't think "we" must do anything of the sort. It's important to continue to disagree with things, and articulate the reasons why, even if a majority of some other group supports them.

> It's important to continue to disagree with things

No, it isn't.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by celdon25 »

trashtester wrote: post #41
basisword wrote: post #13

I’m generally in favour of some limits on speech. I don’t think you should be able to tweet racist messages for example. It’s obviously very complicated and something people are going to argue a lot about. BUT this case has made me change my opinion. Things much worse than this are tweeted every day and this is the one that gets prosecuted. It’s blatantly politically motivated (‘national hero’, British soldier etc) a…

The problem with banning things like "racism" is that words change meaning over time. Maybe some time in the future, any reference to "White Privlege" may be considered racist, for instance.

> Maybe some time in the future, any reference to "White Privlege" may be considered racist, for instance.

Who says that's not already the case outside of the coastal cities?

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