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Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by Jcowell » Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 7:54 PM UTC

Symbiote wrote: post #124

conk wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point I see no reason to continue putting USB A ports in products. Continuing to include them is only going to prolong the transition to USB C. The great thing about USB is the protocol is the same for different connector types so you can use a $5 adapter to easily plug an older USB A device into a USB C port.

Including a USB-A port on a monitor is easy: there's loads of space. It allows the user to continue using their existing devices without needing adaptors. Offering only USB-C forces additional purchases and the resulting e-waste, so it's no surprise at all that Apple does this.

Either way mass adoption of USB-C will end in e-waste.

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by Jcowell » Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 7:56 PM UTC

Tagbert wrote: post #82

yoz-y wrote: post #75

I wish they made the screen 120hz and support hdmi or display port. 5K@27” has the sweet advantage of integer downscaling to 1440p, which is quite ideal for games unless you have a really top of the line graphics card.

the bandwidth of 120Hz/5K is too high for current Thunderbolt connections. It does support 120Hz/4K but the higher resolution puts it over the edge. It is the same reason that the Apple XDR display is 60Hz/6K. Bandwidth limits. If you are interested in games, you likely don't want a high resolution monitor anyway. Those of us who do need the higher res of 5K value that above refresh rate and are likely not going to p…

I can’t even imagine the current GPUs supporting 5K/240Hz

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by skydhash » Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 8:01 PM UTC

mort96 wrote: post #118

skydhash wrote: post #111

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I don't know about 4k@27, but 1080@27 is indeed too big. The only thing I want to be big is the text - and icons maybe -, But I can't stomach big UI elements.

FWIW, 4k is 3840x2160, which is (1920 2)x(1080 2). So 4k@27 running at a 2x scale is exactly the same physical area per logical pixel as 1080p@27 running at a 1x scale.

I have a 1440p@27 monitor. That gives me enough real estate to actually use editors and IDE and have some real estate. I could probably do 4k, but maybe @32 inches and native resolution.

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by hackernewds » Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 8:04 PM UTC

tzs wrote: post #117

> Apple, if you ship a monitor with a non-adjustable stand in 2022, please make sure that the default height is at an ergonomic level. It should be at least 5-8 centimeters higher. That's terrible advice. For a non-adjustable stand it needs to be at or near the lowest that people would want, because it is way easier to raise a fixed stand that is too low by putting something under it than it is to lower a fixed stand…

Why use brakes when you can use books? :) adjustable height, differing thickness, ETC

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by sgerenser » Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 8:04 PM UTC

Joeri wrote: post #127

tzs wrote: post #117

> Apple, if you ship a monitor with a non-adjustable stand in 2022, please make sure that the default height is at an ergonomic level. It should be at least 5-8 centimeters higher. That's terrible advice. For a non-adjustable stand it needs to be at or near the lowest that people would want, because it is way easier to raise a fixed stand that is too low by putting something under it than it is to lower a fixed stand…

I’ve never really understood how so many people could come to the conclusion that the 5K iMac was too low. An ideal ergonomic screen height is the top of the screen 5 to 10 cm above eye level, and I’ve always wondered what kind of desk setups people have where it ends up way below that to the point that it needs raising. If anything the 5K iMac was a few cm too tall, and it is a good thing the studio display is lower…

Interesting, you and the poster you are replying to are the only people I’ve ever heard saying the 27” iMac is too high. Perhaps the difference is where your keyboard and mouse are located? If they are under the desktop on a keyboard tray, then your desktop height is effectively a few inches higher than it otherwise would be, and so is the iMac. But if the iMac is sitting on the same surface as the mouse and keyboard, then you must just have an odd preference for looking at a downward angle or a very short torso?

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by cudgy » Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 8:04 PM UTC

lastofthemojito wrote: post #48

I'm still weirded out by the fact that it has an entire computer in it. I mean, I'm sure other monitors have CPUs to drive their menus and all, but this has an entire A13 SoC - the same thing as an iPhone 11 or 9th gen iPad. I'm curious to see what hacks emerge - like, can you turn this expensive monitor into a budget iMac, or a giant iPad (without touch input)?

Would love to turn my 2014 5k iMac into a smart display as well, but Apple has prevented use of it as a display only. Any solutions out there?

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by cudgy » Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 8:07 PM UTC

hn_version_0023 wrote: post #116

taylodl wrote: post #113

Wow. Just checked the Apple site and this guy is right, Apple wants $400 for a height-adjustable monitor stand! Why? Also the web cam is crap? Really? Okay, maybe it's not as bad as $699 for wheels for the Mac Pro, but that isn't right either! Consider that Apple is selling the iPhone SE for the same price that they're selling an height-adjustable monitor stand and less than for what they're charging for wheels! Can…

> Can anyone explain this pricing? Greed?

Manufacturing consent in manufacturing

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by coder543 » Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 8:34 PM UTC

jmull wrote: post #130

sp332 wrote: post #73

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Also the camera is bad.

That looks like a temporary software issue.

Disagree: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30880057

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by mikl » Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 8:40 PM UTC

“Man doesn’t bite dog” isn’t much of a headline. The Studio Display is great. Not cheap, but if you sit in front of a screen all day, and you enjoy a good 5K display, definitely worth it. The great loudspeakers and microphone system is an added bonus, and the camera is good, if not great.

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by parasti » Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 8:42 PM UTC

cudgy wrote: post #140

tzs wrote: post #117

> Apple, if you ship a monitor with a non-adjustable stand in 2022, please make sure that the default height is at an ergonomic level. It should be at least 5-8 centimeters higher. That's terrible advice. For a non-adjustable stand it needs to be at or near the lowest that people would want, because it is way easier to raise a fixed stand that is too low by putting something under it than it is to lower a fixed stand…

Just by the version that fits a VESA mount and get a proper VESA arm.

Best advice. Those things are totally worth it. My work setup is an iMac with a VESA arm, adjustable to any height, distance and angle that I prefer on any given day. I can even improvise a standing-desk setup simply by getting out of the chair, adjusting the monitor arm, and placing the keyboard/mouse on a laptop stand on the desk.