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Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by recuter »

syrrim wrote: post #148
MadSudaca wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At first glance it may seem baffling, but if you see it from the “different culture different values” framework, you realize it’s just how people there want their society to conduct itself. It’s no different, from this perspective, to how baffling may seem cultures where burping loudly in the dinner table is not frowned upon, where people really value their personal space or not, and on and on.

Similarly, some cultures today enjoy the practice of tossing homosexuals from rooves. Before you rush to condemn the practice, recall that they are from a different culture, with different values.

I'm sorry, but under the new rules you are now guilty of a hate crime for saying this.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by chroma »

basisword wrote: post #13

I’m generally in favour of some limits on speech. I don’t think you should be able to tweet racist messages for example. It’s obviously very complicated and something people are going to argue a lot about. BUT this case has made me change my opinion. Things much worse than this are tweeted every day and this is the one that gets prosecuted. It’s blatantly politically motivated (‘national hero’, British soldier etc) a…

I disagree with restrictions on speech for the following reason:

- If you limit what people are allowed to write or say, you are effectively limiting what others are allowed to read or hear.

- Censorship means delegating a censor.

- That censor would then be able to determine what I am allowed to read or hear. There is nobody I trust besides myself to do that. I definitely don't trust any government body to do that.

Also if you're going to enforce laws against racist speech dispassionately, you will ban every major religious text. The Torah, Bible, and Qur'an have parts that advocate for all kinds of racist, sexist, homophobic, and generally terrible behavior. The UK government doesn't try to censor these books, so it's obvious that their censorship laws are simply a way for law enforcement to persecute people they dislike.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by anikan_vader »

>> Hundreds of UK citizens have been found guilty under Section 127, often for insulting, abusing, and harassing public figures like athletes, journalists, and MPs.

A good opportunity for the Americans among us to feel gratitude at our constitutional right to insult the dunderheads in both chambers of our congress!

It's times likes these that I like to reflect on how fortunate it was that the Sedition Act of 1798 was allowed to expire long before I was born.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by IncRnd »

Pyramus wrote: post #99
NikolaNovak wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>"I don’t think you should be able to tweet racist messages for example. " Why not,and who gets to make the determination? I'm an atheist, and having so many blasphemy and religion protection laws in liberal democracies misused (or rather, used exactly as they are truly intended) so horribly has really taught me what poorly defined restrictions on speech mean in the real world. As for racist speech, I really truly b…

> As for racist speech, I really truly believe that censoring does not ever serve its intended purpose. What is censoring for you? I don't see a single Western democracy that is not "censoring" or restricting the rights of individuals to some extent. It's just to a different extent. E.g. the US has speed limits on highways, but Germany hasn't. You must not deny the holocaust in Germany, but you can do so in the US. T…

> E.g. the US has speed limits on highways, but Germany hasn't.

A speed limit is a censure not a censor by any means whatsoever.

> "censoring" or restricting the rights of individuals to some extent.

Censorship is not any restriction but restrictions on books, plays, news reports, motion pictures, radio and television programs, letters, cablegrams, etc.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by recuter »

minimilian wrote: post #171
zone411 wrote: post #163

In another UK case, a 19-year-old just got 6 weeks in jail for using a racist slur directed at a football (soccer) player in a tweet: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-60927111 .

What was the actual content of the tweet?

I don't know about this one, but there was a teenager that quoted a snoop song on her instagram (not directed at anyone but rather in memory of her friend that died in a car crash) and got threatened with an ankle bracelet and a $1000 fine.

And this is before the rules got even more strict.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by digianarchist »

anikan_vader wrote: post #193

>> Hundreds of UK citizens have been found guilty under Section 127, often for insulting, abusing, and harassing public figures like athletes, journalists, and MPs. A good opportunity for the Americans among us to feel gratitude at our constitutional right to insult the dunderheads in both chambers of our congress! It's times likes these that I like to reflect on how fortunate it was that the Sedition Act of 1798 was…

Good case for asylum in the United States if the guy feels like moving.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by juanani »

petercooper wrote: post #157

Another British case from this week: a man got 3 months in jail for being drunk on a plane. The judge acknowledged he wasn't violent or aggressive or even rude to anyone, but he did vomit: https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/drunk-p...

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Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by dymk »

wait_a_minute wrote: post #165

Stop using Twitter. Build open decentralized alternatives that won't cooperate with speech police. Defund the useless bureaucrats who exist only to police speech. Fire them. Let them compete for their bread and wine like all of us who work for a living.

Fancy new crypto and system design does not and cannot solve societal and cultural problems.
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