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Turn your phone into a space monitoring tool

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Re: Turn your phone into a space monitoring tool

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post #59

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I had a lot of fun with that gps status app when I first got a smart phone - you could hold your phone up to the window while flying (to get gps signal) and see the 630mph or whatever speed you were going.

I thought this was disabled above certain speeds to prevent those chips being used in Missiles?

For the limits the speed is 1200 mph and the altitude 59,000 ft.

A commercial airliner won’t exceed 650 mph or 40,000 ft.

Re: Turn your phone into a space monitoring tool

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The fact that they can use the delay of the satellite signal to predict rainfall, is pretty impressive. It immediately links this app to more data for weather prediction, which might lead to better weather predictions. I wonder how they would measure that on an android phone. Does android expose such low-level delays to the user? Is this not handled by a GNSS chip in hardware, or the OS driver/kernel?

> Is this not handled by a GNSS chip in hardware, or the OS driver/kernel?

All of the GNSS calculation is handled in hardware but that hardware often exposes quite a lot of intermediate data.

Re: Turn your phone into a space monitoring tool

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The idea is interesting, but there are some disadvantages of the app itself (see below). Maybe developers can read this and implement some changes. - the phone should have non-obscured view of the sky. Thus having a phone charging and logging the data while it is on the desk inside a house doesn't work that well (red or orange indicator of the measurements quality, even near a big window). - speaking of charging, the…

If obstruction is static, such when one is charging the phone, it would affect absolute values but would still provide useful relative change.

what if the device is charging while in a car/train/etc?

Re: Turn your phone into a space monitoring tool

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea is interesting, but there are some disadvantages of the app itself (see below). Maybe developers can read this and implement some changes. - the phone should have non-obscured view of the sky. Thus having a phone charging and logging the data while it is on the desk inside a house doesn't work that well (red or orange indicator of the measurements quality, even near a big window). - speaking of charging, the…

If obstruction is static, such when one is charging the phone, it would affect absolute values but would still provide useful relative change.

My phone is charging from a portable battery just as often if not more often than a wall charger.

Re: Turn your phone into a space monitoring tool

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post #54

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Anything "new" and "that demand a substantial social change" is hard, at least for start and for a not so short period of time... If no one start change never happen, if someone start...

Software developers having been calling for FLOSS for decades at this point, and it's clear that the average person will only use FLOSS if it's mandated or clearly a better product in some way. Posing a fringe ethical dilemma alone will not get it done... the vast majority of people (including people collecting data for research) do not even care a little bit. They have a long list of other problems to solve first, a…

Casual people and scientist are different cohorts of population, casual people do not have the culture to comprehend, most do not even understand the difference between a third-partly hosted web-app and a local one just because they look at the same screen, most do not understand why it's absurd and bad print a document, scan in to an image and send the image by mail etc BUT those normally are not scientist.

Scientist normally like to learn, so if someone explain them something interesting they learn it in means.

Population always follow.

Just look at the French Revolutions the Sans-culottes was driven by bourgeois, similarly on the other sides soldiers are peoples/"commoners" driven by other bourgeois and aristocrats. The people have chosen a side or another, and they are pushed to chose by both sides. So far I do not see much on the FLOSS side since there is no community anymore and most just live on someone else computer. Who better than Scientist can correct that aim? Peoples in Humanities surely are more listening but they mostly lack enough skill to bridge the gap between the philosophy (in the classical sense of "the why") and the practice, scientist normally can.

Re: Turn your phone into a space monitoring tool

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Here is an example of pretty stunning amount of visual detail provided by one of popular GPS data app on Android: https://play-lh.googleusercontent.com/lT3TpHarUx89Z7HIf043aU... At least I can confirm it works will all navigation constellations on Samsung S10.

Link doesn't work for me and the URL is obscured for some reason. Is my guess correct that you're linking the GPSTest app?

No, it's not GPSTest but "GPS Status & Toolbox".

Re: Turn your phone into a space monitoring tool

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This reminds me of something I read long ago when I was just a child. A computer magazine had a project where you used an FM radio, a computer probably a Commodore, and a plotter (who had one of those?!). The FM signal could detect meteor strikes in the atmosphere, you wrote a bit of code, the plotter mapped the strikes.

Used to be everyone had an FM radio and no plotter.

Now everyone has a printer, but no FM radio.

Re: Turn your phone into a space monitoring tool

#79
post #46

The fact that they can use the delay of the satellite signal to predict rainfall, is pretty impressive. It immediately links this app to more data for weather prediction, which might lead to better weather predictions. I wonder how they would measure that on an android phone. Does android expose such low-level delays to the user? Is this not handled by a GNSS chip in hardware, or the OS driver/kernel?

The idea is interesting, but there are some disadvantages of the app itself (see below). Maybe developers can read this and implement some changes. - the phone should have non-obscured view of the sky. Thus having a phone charging and logging the data while it is on the desk inside a house doesn't work that well (red or orange indicator of the measurements quality, even near a big window). - speaking of charging, the…

Hypothetically they could be using an account / login process to allow them to filter out measurements from devices that for whatever reason (hardware / environment / etc) to be sending low quality data. Alternatively they could have used device id without having the user setup an account but that actually feels more intrusive.

Not saying that is a reason but it could be one of the non-user visible rationales.

I too would prefer an anonymous option

Re: Turn your phone into a space monitoring tool

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If obstruction is static, such when one is charging the phone, it would affect absolute values but would still provide useful relative change.

what if the device is charging while in a car/train/etc?

Then software can detect it's moving.
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