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Cryptocurrency doesn’t address the hard parts of financial inclusion

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Re: Cryptocurrency doesn’t address the hard parts of financial inclusion

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Crypto crowdsourced the Ukrainian war effort faster and easier than the fiat rails did. I don't even need to list a million other counter points that have been posted to every HN crypto post since time immemorial, but that was a de-facto benefit of crypto over legacy finance.

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Re: Cryptocurrency doesn’t address the hard parts of financial inclusion

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post #3

Crypto crowdsourced the Ukrainian war effort faster and easier than the fiat rails did. I don't even need to list a million other counter points that have been posted to every HN crypto post since time immemorial, but that was a de-facto benefit of crypto over legacy finance.

Source?

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-cryptocurrency-tec...

> “It’s certainly a first,” said Bennett Tomlin, who investigates cryptocurrency scams and hosts the podcast Crypto Critic’s Corner. “We’ve never seen a sovereign nation fund their defense efforts in crypto before. It does prove out a lot of the crypto argument.”

Re: Cryptocurrency doesn’t address the hard parts of financial inclusion

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Onboarding is really a PITA. Until you found a way to pay for everything in crypto, you have to deal with centralized exchanges to get fiat to pay your stuff. Playing in fiat requires you to convert from a crypto token and that is a taxable event. It's a bit like shooting stuff into space. Getting out of earth's gravity is the hardest part, even if it's just a small fraction of the way.

It's a chicken and egg problem.

You need to create a circular economy where people pay and get paid in cryptocurrency, like you have within a nation state with their home currency. The creation of that circular economy without a monopoly on violence that forces everyone to converge on a single one is something that will happen in fits and starts.

And of course, you still need policy change to treat the cryptocurrency as legal tender so people don't have to stress about capital gains implications with each and every transaction they do, and get fucked if they ever lose their accounting history and get audited.

It will be interesting to see how things develop in El Salvador now that they have legally enabled this circular economy to develop with bitcoin, and spending is not a taxable event.

Re: Cryptocurrency doesn’t address the hard parts of financial inclusion

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Yet another middle man stating that crypto is not the way to go. Of course they are going to say that, they lose their 1% transaction fee.

Isn't the cost generally substantially higher than 1% if directly using the blockchain [depends on transaction size and urgency/timeliness I suppose]?

But yes, you are right there is a competitive pressure/force at work here.

Re: Cryptocurrency doesn’t address the hard parts of financial inclusion

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Yet another middle man stating that crypto is not the way to go. Of course they are going to say that, they lose their 1% transaction fee.

Things is, companies like this solve a real world problem for real people in developing countries now. At least where I am, Colombia, crypto has utterly failed to do this. The target audience of such products doesn't care much about some hypothetical ifs and whens of the future.

Re: Cryptocurrency doesn’t address the hard parts of financial inclusion

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post #3

Crypto crowdsourced the Ukrainian war effort faster and easier than the fiat rails did. I don't even need to list a million other counter points that have been posted to every HN crypto post since time immemorial, but that was a de-facto benefit of crypto over legacy finance.

Nonsense. Sending USD or EUR (or any other currency) to Ukraine is very simple. You can go to their funding page, enter your credit card, and you're done. Then they've got money they can actually use.

What are they doing with all the crypto? Did they convert it to fiat? Is it just sitting there?

The only reason so many cryptos were sent is because there a lot of people who don't know what to do with their cryptos, they can't use it for anything and liquidating large amounts of crypto is a pain in the ass.

Re: Cryptocurrency doesn’t address the hard parts of financial inclusion

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"We need to keep track of our customers’ account balances. We need them to trust that their Wave balance is correct and Wave won’t lose the money." "At Wave, though, we prefer to use boring technology, and a simple relational database like Postgres does an equally good job at this." How does Wave ensure multi-region durability for Postgres, high availability, and strict serializability during failover, without risk o…

> multi-region durability

Why is this important? Why can't they get by with a traditional main server plus some backups with a sync, plus failover when the main server goes down? It seems to me that all of your questions are issues that have been often discussed over the last 20 years, and they all have well known answers, except perhaps "multi-region durability". Leave that out, and you've well known answers for your other questions. And it seems to me, what they are saying is that they found it easier to go with a boring and traditional setup, that is, a boring and traditional setup is easier than any other setup.

Re: Cryptocurrency doesn’t address the hard parts of financial inclusion

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post #7

Onboarding is really a PITA. Until you found a way to pay for everything in crypto, you have to deal with centralized exchanges to get fiat to pay your stuff. Playing in fiat requires you to convert from a crypto token and that is a taxable event. It's a bit like shooting stuff into space. Getting out of earth's gravity is the hardest part, even if it's just a small fraction of the way.

It's a chicken and egg problem. You need to create a circular economy where people pay and get paid in cryptocurrency, like you have within a nation state with their home currency. The creation of that circular economy without a monopoly on violence that forces everyone to converge on a single one is something that will happen in fits and starts. And of course, you still need policy change to treat the cryptocurrency…

There is another problem, which is the unit of account. What currency are prices posted in? It's going to be very hard to displace fait on this front. I don't think cryptos can become this until they are as stable as existing currency. They aren't even used as currency or behave like one. More like gold or stocks and present.

Re: Cryptocurrency doesn’t address the hard parts of financial inclusion

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-cryptocurrency-tec... > “It’s certainly a first,” said Bennett Tomlin, who investigates cryptocurrency scams and hosts the podcast Crypto Critic’s Corner. “We’ve never seen a sovereign nation fund their defense efforts in crypto before. It does prove out a lot of the crypto argument.”

Tbat's $67,000,000 USD up to March 26th.

Just to compare about $400,000,000 had been given via normal means by March 12th[1]. Sure every bit helps, but we're still talking different orders of magnitude.

[1 ]https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/na-pidtrimku-armiyi-ta-guman...

Re: Cryptocurrency doesn’t address the hard parts of financial inclusion

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you back that up? Do you exclude all the fiat currency backed resources sent to help Ukraine? Do you also exclude the crypto workarounds to sanctions on Russia that can keep the war prolonged?

US sent $500 million worth of actual hardware , the value of that is more than the crypto donations received so far.

There were also a few celebrities who's contribution put together is more than the crypto donations.

The Dutch raised more than $100m which is still more than the crypto total

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