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Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Post by coolso »

N1H1L wrote: post #144
coolso wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2) The bill would exempt applicants holding a PhD in a STEM field from the annual per-country green card limits, enabling them to quickly apply for permanent residency without being subject to the availability of an immigrant visa. This would benefit Indians and Chinese nationals the most. Are we… still giving unfair advantages to foreign nationals and companies that hire foreign nationals over Americans in 2022?

Elucidate - your unfair advantages. Honestly at this point I am sick and tired of this dog-whistling nonsense. And when called out all of you losers act all innocent about it. That shtick worked years back, but it's just plain racist in 2022 and it's well known. Get lost.

Sorry but you can’t toxically gaslight me and most of the country into idly standing by in the current year while governmental policies continue to give foreign countries and non-Americans advantages over the American people. The age of globalism and outsourcing so corporations can sell out the American worker and consumer for a quick buck and a cheap disposable product made in a country with lax environmental laws and wasting fuel to ship it halfway across the world is coming to a close, and none of your extremely progressive zeitgeist accusatory and inflaming buzzwords can change that, no matter how many you attempt to cram into each paragraph.

The unfair advantages (and scams and frauds that go hand in hand as well) are extensively documented and well known, which is why our big tech companies are so high on foreign nationals in the first place, and why their countries of origin love it as well.

That being said this bill is an excellent step towards bringing jobs and manufacturing back to where they belong: the USA.

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Post by renewiltord »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #130
renewiltord wrote: post #128

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If you take a top experimental particle physicist and put him in Dhaka you don’t get great experimental particle physics; you get a mediocre accountant with memories of particle physics.

Let me rephrase: If you take one of Dhaka's best and brightest and remove him/her...Dhaka gets nothing.

If you look at the guy who would be a top experimental particle physicist in the West and leave him in Dhaka you don't get great experimental particle physics; you get a mediocre accountant with dreams of particle physics.

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Post by chiefalchemist »

valarauko wrote: post #148
chiefalchemist wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me rephrase: If you take one of Dhaka's best and brightest and remove him/her...Dhaka gets nothing.

I think the usual counter to this argument is that rather than being the best & brightest, he's a product of his time, place, and circumstances - if he were to remain in Dhaka he likely may not have been noteworthy. We really don't know one way or another.

Noteworthy is relative. Aside from being able a person needs to have the "heart" to relocate to the USA. So yeah, she / he might professionally end up an accountant. But the heart to change things? That should not be discounted either.

Like it or not, there is a darkside to USA immigration policy, just because its been normalized doesn't mean it's not there.

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Post by valarauko »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #153
valarauko wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the usual counter to this argument is that rather than being the best & brightest, he's a product of his time, place, and circumstances - if he were to remain in Dhaka he likely may not have been noteworthy. We really don't know one way or another.

Noteworthy is relative. Aside from being able a person needs to have the "heart" to relocate to the USA. So yeah, she / he might professionally end up an accountant. But the heart to change things? That should not be discounted either. Like it or not, there is a darkside to USA immigration policy, just because its been normalized doesn't mean it's not there.

I don't think anybody discounts it or hand waves brain drain away. My concern is that these notions might inform (well meaning) ideas of what immigration should look like - it feels overly paternalistic and minimizes the immigrant's desires and agency. Immigration is already an incredibly difficult and uphill task that's near impossible for the vast majority of people even with the means and desire to do so. However difficult you think it is, multiply by a factor of 10. So now should the process be even harder because of concerns about brain drain? For example, should American concerns about brain drain from the underdeveloped countries inform if people should be allowed to immigrate from there? Should immigration be open only to people from rich countries?

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Post by webmaven »

sergiomattei wrote: post #96
TameAntelope wrote: post #6

Slightly more detailed explanation (from House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer's website, use whatever amount of grains of salt you'd like): * The America COMPETES Act authorizes the establishment of the Rebuilding Economies and Creating Opportunities for More People to Excel (RECOMPETE) pilot grant program at the Economic Development Administration to form and implement economic development strategies in distressed labo…

Really excited about the strategic transformer reserve bit. Looks like they’re finally taking EMPs and solar flares seriously.

> Looks like they’re finally taking EMPs and solar flares seriously.

There are a couple of other possibilities as well. Remember when a bunch of Iraq's electrical infra was taken out with graphite fiber bombs[0]?

The idea has been out there for a while, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that grenade launchers or cheap drones can be used instead of modified Tomahawk missiles.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphite_bomb

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Post by jl2718 »

N1H1L wrote: post #144
coolso wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2) The bill would exempt applicants holding a PhD in a STEM field from the annual per-country green card limits, enabling them to quickly apply for permanent residency without being subject to the availability of an immigrant visa. This would benefit Indians and Chinese nationals the most. Are we… still giving unfair advantages to foreign nationals and companies that hire foreign nationals over Americans in 2022?

Elucidate - your unfair advantages. Honestly at this point I am sick and tired of this dog-whistling nonsense. And when called out all of you losers act all innocent about it. That shtick worked years back, but it's just plain racist in 2022 and it's well known. Get lost.

Americans families pay taxes to universities. Then they pay tuition to universities. Then their children go to work to pay loans. Forever. Universities pay administrators to import labor for their government grants.

Why are there so many foreign PhD students? Are Americans lazy? No; we have to work. Education is high-class leisure in America. Decades ago, Americans went back to school after paying off loans and getting experience. Not so anymore; the pipeline is too full to get back into it.

This credentialism is being used to prove that Americans are unqualified to work in their own country. We should not be so impressed with PhDs. I assure you that a decade into this policy we won’t be.

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Post by someguydave »

ceeplusplus wrote: post #60
killjoywashere wrote: post #50

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Keep in mind that China will not stop being a problem, it just moves it around. The CCP will have more people in the US with family back in China, so they can manipulate those in the US to steal and spy for them. They will grow the presence of CSSAs and universities will become increasingly dependent on income from fulltime Chinese students, which will paradoxically disincentivize US universities from educating US st…

Ah yes, because every PhD immigrant that comes to the US must be a CCP agent. Why don't we just dispense with the thin veil you're trying to hide your racism behind?

America is many times less racist than China is. I think it is proper to debate the degree to which allowing Chinese citizens to immigrate helps or hurts America.

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Post by someguydave »

duped wrote: post #117
jeffbee wrote: post #52

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Imagine using government money to fund Intel, AMD, Micron, Apple, etc with combined capitalization over 4 trillion dollars. Instead they should be levying massive windfall taxes on these companies' overseas cash hoards, and using those revenues to fund onshore semiconductor startups.

The US government has been funding semiconductor manufacturing since Fairchild, which spawned two of the companies you listed. Overseas cash reserves are a separate issue that can be fixed by removing the corporate tax. It should be 0%, we would all be better off if that were the case.

Yes, corporate income tax is deadweight loss.

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Post by someguydave »

civilized wrote: post #38
colechristensen wrote: post #29

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Trade policy is explicitly to manipulate balances of imports and exports, that doesn't happen with flat rates. Some things you want to protect, some things are bargaining chips for concessions elsewhere. Of all the stupid shit in government, trade exceptions are far from the worst.

Many people might be skeptical of the premise that it's beneficial for the government to manipulate balances of imports and exports.

Even if the us governmemt adopted a purely neutral stance toward, nearly all of our trade partners have adopted extremely unbalanced trade policies.
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