What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space? • Hacker News Board

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by nonameiguess » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 12:58 PM UTC

sneak wrote: post #111

boredtofears wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This thread is about local file scanning and has nothing to do with the cloud. It's completely relevant to my point because it's unlikely they'd be doing this without the pressure from US politicians. There's also a lot of speculation that it's happening device side so that E2E encryption can be enabled for uploads.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocal... E2E encryption that leaks information to the middle device about what data is being encrypted is not E2E encrypted. It's backdoored. Any system that can't be used safely by child pornographers for safety from government surveillance cannot be used safely by other groups that the government does not wish to operate. Those groups will (without any convicti…

Unless you encrypt on the camera, it's impossible not to leak information to the first storage device you save to. It's also impossible not to leak information to any viewer you ever use unless you just want to look at the encrypted bytes and not the photo.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by nonameiguess » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 1:00 PM UTC

dan1234 wrote: post #40

pilif wrote: post #34

I looked at one of the files: `~/Library/Trial/Treatments/SIRI_DIALOG_ASSETS/factorPacks/6242008c0f185b3e2ef6bf8e/assets/com.apple.siri.dialog.socialconversationfl#d5b431b/dialog/SocialConversation.catfamily/dalWhoIsYourValentine.cat/en.cat.bin` the file is gzip compressed and the decompressed data reveals some strings that are probably related to the question asked in the `cat` file: tag:valentine";Only localize if…

I've also disabled Siri and my ~/Library/Trial directory is only 3.6M (with no SIRI_DIALOG_ASSETS dir - so no valentines for me). Maybe you should check that Siri is still disabled on your Mac?

Same for me. Siri is disabled and there is nothing in these folders.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by gigaflop » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 1:03 PM UTC

koprulusector wrote: post #93

>Over the last year or so Mac users have run into problems that appear related to a background service named triald. Some report it stealing huge amounts of CPU, others associate it with various glitches, and a few have noticed gigabytes of disk space apparently being taken up by its folder at ~/Library/Trial, and in their Time Machine backups. This article explains as much as I know about this mysterious new service…

This reminds me of Windows Search Indexer on my PC. Microsoft's spying aside, it apparently needs 13.5% or more of my CPU at all times. It started after I updated multiple time sin a row, and for the past few weeks, has never stopped. I've killed it via task manager, only to have it come back shortly after.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by LooseMarmoset » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 1:05 PM UTC

sneak wrote: post #76

dannyw wrote: post #5

Remember when operating systems didn't have multi-gigabyte binary blobs performing cryptic actions with an extremely chatty online connection?

With Little Snitch (and thorough abandonment of iCloud, iMessage, Siri, FaceTime, and the App Store) you can have this once again. There are about 30 Apple processes to which you need to deny all network access. Then a Mac is relatively quiet. (By default Apple stuff is whitelisted in Little Snitch, you have to go and manually uncheck built-in allow rules.) Apple built something called the ContentFilterExclusionList…

You can't buy a Mac anonymously?

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by kop316 » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 1:08 PM UTC

AussieWog93 wrote: post #11

sdfjkl wrote: post #6

Open source is where you don't have to apply guesswork to find out what a suspicious looking piece of software is doing on your computer.

Nope, instead you have to apply guesswork to figure out why an apt-get call accidentally uninstalled your desktop environment. :P

I'm confused. `apt-get upgrade` doesn't remove packages. `apt-get dist-upgrade` tells you what packages it will remove and has you confirm that you want those packages removed before you proceed.

https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-guide/ch2.en.html

What guesswork is needed?

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by BeefWellington » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 1:08 PM UTC

dmitriid wrote: post #78

superasn wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely right about that. Maybe some user can be unaware of what is happening with OSS, but the community as a whole will always have accurate information of what is what (unlike this case where everyone is guessing).

> but the community as a whole will always have accurate information of what is what OpenSSL audit would like to have a word with this mythical community. log4j vulnerability, too.

There are a few big problems with these examples.

For starters, the obvious implied suggestion is that these types of vulnerabilities don't exist in commonly used closed-source systems. That's been proven hilariously false time and again.

Secondly, commercial vendors have seen fit to adopt opensource where it suits them in order to take advantage of (and offload responsibility for) what these components do. You're effectively saying "Open Source community doesn't have accurate information because look at X and Y" and ignoring that "X and Y" were also not discovered to have problems by any closed-source using dependent commercial entities.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 1:09 PM UTC

sjg007 wrote: post #113

koprulusector wrote: post #93

>Over the last year or so Mac users have run into problems that appear related to a background service named triald. Some report it stealing huge amounts of CPU, others associate it with various glitches, and a few have noticed gigabytes of disk space apparently being taken up by its folder at ~/Library/Trial, and in their Time Machine backups. This article explains as much as I know about this mysterious new service…

How's the battery life on linux laptops these days?

I dual boot Windows and Linux and I found out I can actually work longer in Linux. Maybe it's related to the fact that Windows services consume more CPU.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by cjbconnor » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 1:10 PM UTC

dan1234 wrote: post #40

pilif wrote: post #34

I looked at one of the files: `~/Library/Trial/Treatments/SIRI_DIALOG_ASSETS/factorPacks/6242008c0f185b3e2ef6bf8e/assets/com.apple.siri.dialog.socialconversationfl#d5b431b/dialog/SocialConversation.catfamily/dalWhoIsYourValentine.cat/en.cat.bin` the file is gzip compressed and the decompressed data reveals some strings that are probably related to the question asked in the `cat` file: tag:valentine";Only localize if…

I've also disabled Siri and my ~/Library/Trial directory is only 3.6M (with no SIRI_DIALOG_ASSETS dir - so no valentines for me). Maybe you should check that Siri is still disabled on your Mac?

I've had Siri disabled the entire time I've owned my mac (just checked, still disabled), and my ~/Library/Trial dir is 180M, 136530 files.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by LooseMarmoset » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 1:10 PM UTC

sjg007 wrote: post #113

koprulusector wrote: post #93

>Over the last year or so Mac users have run into problems that appear related to a background service named triald. Some report it stealing huge amounts of CPU, others associate it with various glitches, and a few have noticed gigabytes of disk space apparently being taken up by its folder at ~/Library/Trial, and in their Time Machine backups. This article explains as much as I know about this mysterious new service…

How's the battery life on linux laptops these days?

Pretty good, especially if you install TLP for power management. I get at least a full workday and a half out of my Dell 9375.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by poidos » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 1:14 PM UTC

exikyut wrote: post #104

dx034 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't that be filtered on a dns level with a list in pihole? Probably much nicer not having to keep it on all devices.

I agree, but have serious "ugh, but what about when I leave my network"-itis. Like when I tether off my phone (or just use said phone when out). The ideal solution seems to be to VPN off my home internet connection, but that just feels so broken...

I used WireHole [0] to set up pihole over wireguard for use outside my home. It works really well.

I've thankfully only lost VPN access a handful of times since installing it because our internet is relatively stable.

[0]: https://github.com/IAmStoxe/wirehole