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The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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I just interviewed yesterday with an Austrian company from here on HN, that was 100% remote... I guess it depends on your region/vertical ?

Would you mind sharing a name please. If privacy is concerned my email is in my profile. Thanks.

Hmm - it was QuestDB, but maybe I didn't see it on HN (can't find it now..) Anyway here is the job link:

https://questdb.io/careers/senior-cloud-engineer/

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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I don't think there is anything else more illogical in modern society than waking up in building A, hopping in a car and fighting traffic for an hour to get to building B just to sit in front of a computer for 8 hours (perhaps with a few minimally productive meetings here and there), then commute back to building A 8 hours later. Building B sits empty for 16 hours a day while Building A sits empty for 10 with both be…

Exactly this is the thought that crossed my mind today.

You do something good for me and I give you $X for that.

Now on top of that for $X I want you to also come to a building I built for you , stay there for 8 hours a day and do the thing I want you to do. All for $X.

However there is Joe who will give you $X for the same job and a little more.But you get to choose where and how you do it.

Which one will you do?

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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Would you mind sharing a name please. If privacy is concerned my email is in my profile. Thanks.

Hmm - it was QuestDB, but maybe I didn't see it on HN (can't find it now..) Anyway here is the job link: https://questdb.io/careers/senior-cloud-engineer/

Hmm - it appears I was mistaken: "regional offices in London, Berlin and San Francisco." But the gentleman that interviewed me was in Austria. They are remote first, and have people all over from our conversation.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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> What is the tenability of cities without fossil fuels? I think we do know, it's really the cities that collapse. I walk everywhere. It's suburbs that collapse without fossil fuels. > How does public transit work? Generally speaking they are all diesel. Do we have a plan to spend a trillion $ converting this all to electric? Our subways have always been electric. Our street cars are electric, and have been for a cen…

>I walk everywhere. It's suburbs that collapse without fossil fuels. I think shooting from the hip the suburbs hurt without fossil fuels for a short time. However, who are the people buying teslas it's rich folks in the suburbs. Who in 10 years will be driving the gasoline toyota econobox. It's the poor in the cities. >Our subways have always been electric. That doesnt cover everything. Not all cities have a subway.…

> That doesnt cover everything. Not all cities have a subway. Not all subways are electric, the danger of frying people made a number of subways diesel. My understanding is that much of NYC subway is still diesel for various reasons.

I'm disputing YOUR generalization, that [all] cities are doomed, not creating a new generalization that they are all fine.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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I would say the benefit of schmoozing (which i dont like) is information sharing about the organization. One thing thats particularly hard in large remote companies if information sharing outside of rigid structure (ie 1 on 1, meetings). Much needed even if some of it isnt great info. And yeah i would say your take is pretty cynical and pretty ageist -> diminutive to someone for their ability to contribute is reduced…

I don't think "schmoozing" is necessarily information sharing. It can be, but more often than not it's simply "socializing, but with the goal of career benefit rather than friendship". Hanging out at the water cooler, golfing with other execs, having an extended lunch at the bar, doing "one on ones" where you don't talk that much about work, walking the hallways for the simple purpose of looking busy to everyone else…

Completely disagree with you. Sometimes hallway conversations make you realize what other parts of the company is actually doing.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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it's also a cultural thing. US commute is particularly bad, I work from home and been doing it on and off for the past 20 years. My commute has never been longer than 20 minutes total. I now live 5 minutes walk away from my office, I'm not going, but if I had to I would walk there and have a very nice breakfast in some bar on the road there. One thing that's always overlooked is how much WFH is selecting people who a…

WFH is also doing an amazing job to help people who would otherwise be marginalized. In particular, I've seen how remote interviews help people that are wheelchair bound or have subtle issues with their eye-sight (that are only noticeable up close) get through some of the hidden (or even unconscious) biases that still exist in all of us and end up screening-out some otherwise great candidates.

It's great for autistic people, especially those with sensory sensitivities. The interview process still sucks, though.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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"Required" or not, it's called "being a grown-up".

Staying at home without symptoms is called brainwashed.

Are you aware of the concept of an incubation period?

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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Some people (such as myself) rely on the somewhat enforced structure of going into the office to "attach" other life things onto, like exercise and going out. Without that structure, i'm miserable.

Seems like a larger personal issue with discipline that you could work out on your own vs enforcing this on your coworkers for your own convenience

How am I enforcing anything on my coworkers? I don’t control the policy at my place of work. I’m merely expressing a preference.

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It’s a level of friction that discourages the worst behaviors. You probably lock the front door of your house. The reality is, it’s not a meaningful thing in most cases, as a moderately in shape middle aged man, I could likely kick or pry it in in seconds. We do it because it keeps honest people out and increases the friction for the bad guys - kicking the door down in itself becomes a felony. (Burglary) Likewise, pe…

Probably you should then have looked at the dog joke on the top. If I DONT want to do stupid work beleive me , I will work very hard to find smart ways to NOT do your stupid work. In other words I will be the absolute lazy programmer whose output is so good that it scares their manager to the point of insecurity. These are the kind of people that wants “their” team back in office. Again something very stupid but it i…

If that’s how you work, it’s in your interest to keep the stupid going.

Look at what happened to COBOL people. Eventually, the bean counters figure it out, and “work from home” becomes, “work from the Philippines” at 1/5 the cost.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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Today it's a job-seeker's market, and that is likely to continue for some time to come. If your company won't play ball, it's time to find another field to play in.

If so many people are pissed off at coming back to office wouldn't remote jobs would be super demanded? I've looked at some recently and tons of jobs require office presence. Finding something outside of US is near impossible.

I've been desperate to hire for the last two years. There's no way I can filter for location at this point. It took work, but we've made remote only official through HR and made our last several hires as remote only. We still aim for same or similar time zone.

Most companies are in this situation.

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