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The Uselessness of Phenylephrine

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Re: The Uselessness of Phenylephrine

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I used the, I believe, dayquil version one time (active ingredient pseudoephedrine) in the US and my ability to focus that day was on a completely different level even being sick. I almost wanted to keep using it for productivity purposes.

Also love that I had to go to a controlled substance area of the pharmacy to get it.

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My drug of choice for colds is NyQuil. It's always been great for opening up my nasal passages enough to let me breathe easily and then knocking me the fuck out so I could sleep off most of the cold. I remember several years ago when all of a sudden NyQuil stopped doing anything useful. I had no idea why but I directly observed that it was like it had been replaced with a non-functioning placebo. Only a couple years…

In Canada you can find cough & cold medications in both the Phenylephrine and Pseudoephedrine formulation, often under near-identical labels (IIRC one can buy "Tylenol Cough and Cold" with either active ingredient, for example - carefully checking the label is the only way to tell). I didn't realize there was a difference until one day after running out of Phenylephrine-based medication I bought the Pseudoephedrine-b…

In US, same deal, but you have to show your ID at the counter to obtain the pseudophedrine version. Phenylephrine is so useless. Nothing worse than getting to a store after pharmacy hours and being forced to only get the useless garbage.

Re: The Uselessness of Phenylephrine

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My drug of choice for colds is NyQuil. It's always been great for opening up my nasal passages enough to let me breathe easily and then knocking me the fuck out so I could sleep off most of the cold. I remember several years ago when all of a sudden NyQuil stopped doing anything useful. I had no idea why but I directly observed that it was like it had been replaced with a non-functioning placebo. Only a couple years…

American law is so disjointed. On one hand, we're decriminalizing drugs. Pot is widely legal now. Other states are allowing mushrooms and LSD. Cocaine and heroin are not legal, but have all but been decriminalized on the West Coast. Meanwhile it's harder than ever to get pain killers from your doctor, even when you have a demonstrated need for them. Same with ephedrine -- a very useful drug -- it's very difficult to…

There is probably some truth to this but it is worth noting the opiod epidemic is largely why it's hard to get pain killers now. A few of the pharma companies have settled that they sort of knew people were taking them from pharmacies and selling them on the black market.

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Difficult. Dianne Feinstein was the figure behind the changes, as part of her war on drugs. She wanted pseudoephedrine made prescription only too. https://www.drugcaucus.senate.gov/press-releases/feinstein-g... ironically, OR and MS, the states listed in that report, are so far the only 2 that are starting to roll back the restrictions. Our elected officials seem adverse to admitting something doesn't work well and r…

Every time she's mentioned, there's something to make me dislike Feinstein more than I already did. It does seem likely her strong opposition would be a high bar to clear, though as the oldest current senator, she may not be a factor for a long time.

Hate to do this but hopefully she will step down at some point, willingly or not due to her age.

Re: The Uselessness of Phenylephrine

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time she's mentioned, there's something to make me dislike Feinstein more than I already did. It does seem likely her strong opposition would be a high bar to clear, though as the oldest current senator, she may not be a factor for a long time.

It really is amazing how someone manages to be on the wrong side of seemingly everything, and yet is locked into office past the point of senility.

Another arrow in my quiver for why the US is honestly not a country to bet on for the next 20 years.

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The lack of availability of proper pseudoephedrine in USA led to situation where there are papers describing how to turn methamphetamine into pseudoephedrine, not the other way around. With explanation in abstract that its easier to buy meth than pseudoephedrine.

I don't about anywhere else but the only thing you have to do is walk up to the pharmacist and show an ID. I couldn't care less. I'm buying like a couple of weeks worth. I've had the same process in two different states, and not sure why it's a big deal? We can't have nice things because meth cooks were coming with shopping bags and stealing it all.

Re: The Uselessness of Phenylephrine

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NyQuil is a combination medicine. The cough, cold and flu formula contains Tylenol (fever/pain reliever), DXM (stops cough) and an antihistamine (dries out your runny nose/postnasal drip). NyQuil can be a great all-in-one product when it's what you need. It's useful to know what it is composed of and why. All of the medicines in it treat symptoms, not the underlying cause, which will be fought off by your immune syst…

Prior to the regulation of pseudoephedrine, NyQuil also contained pseudoephedrine and since the nasal congestion from a a virus can often be the most disruptive factor for sleep (at least, in my personal experience, that's the case) it's considered by some to the be most important component. NyQuil with pseudoephedrine included is now marketed as "NyQuil D" and is available behind many pharmacy counters with the same…

I feel like the true “Cocaine Cola Classic” would still have some of that, um, regulated stimulant in it. Cocaine. Might be good for decongestion?

Re: The Uselessness of Phenylephrine

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post #13

The lack of availability of proper pseudoephedrine in USA led to situation where there are papers describing how to turn methamphetamine into pseudoephedrine, not the other way around. With explanation in abstract that its easier to buy meth than pseudoephedrine.

> With explanation in abstract that its easier to buy meth than pseudoephedrine. People may laugh at this, as they should since it is an absurd situation, but this isn't entirely wrong. Neither my wife or I drive and during the pandemic she gave up her license after getting an appointment at the DOL was difficult. Both of us carry US passport cards as our ID. This has resulted in several situations where we've been t…

My favorite REAL ID compliant ID to use is my Global Entry card.

Re: The Uselessness of Phenylephrine

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post #110

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It really is amazing how someone manages to be on the wrong side of seemingly everything, and yet is locked into office past the point of senility.

This means that either your calibration mechanism for 'wrong side' is flawed, or the system is rigged in a way that it consistently produces bad outcomes. Speaking for myself, am shocked and outraged that red senators and other congresscritters are consistently on the wrong side of seemingly everything, yet they keep getting elected. Of course, my political calibration mechanisms are quite in tune.

Feinstein is weirdly not aligned with the left or the tech industry given where she's from. Her strong anti-drug and anti-encryption stances are easy examples.

If I had to pick a single organizing principle to describe her positions it would be a bureaucratic sort of authoritarianism (as distinguished from the strongman authoritarianism of someone like Donald Trump).

I do believe the system is rigged in a way that consistently produces bad outcomes. The US Senate is structured to reward voters for keeping incumbents in office, and plurality voting virtually guarantees two dominant parties.

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