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Post by anamexis »

joemi wrote: post #367
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my case, I moved to Fastmail... and yeah, the hilarious thing is people remember moving from AOL to Gmail over a decade ago, and think Gmail is still so much better than everything else. Gmail is worst-in-class at this point. It's slow, it's bloated, it's bad at spam filtering compared to the alternatives. They've been riding on people remembering email before Gmail, but not really actually stayed competitive with…

I tried switching to Fastmail (from Gmail) 7-ish yrs ago, and I ended up switching back to Gmail specifically because the spam filtering was far worse with Fastmail. Is it Fastmail's spam filtering actually better now, or does it just seem that way when you start a new account because you're not getting much spam in general?

I switched to Fastmail (with my own domain) about a year ago, and haven't had any issues with spam so far.

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Post by anoojb »

TuringNYC wrote: post #214
kmeisthax wrote: post #59

Everyone here is commenting about overautomation, but this isn't an overautomation problem. It's a secondary sanctions problem. The developer isn't being banned for breaking Google's rules, he's being banned for having hired someone else who later broke those rules; and then that ban was transitively applied to their personal account as well. This is beyond the pale. Google should not have the power to decide who you…

I had a scare last year where Google supposedly gave me 30 days before they would shut off my Google account of 20yrs. Family photos, youtube videos, 20yrs of email, not to mention the treasure trove of personal documents on GDrive. It took two weeks to duplicate the content and back it up elsewhere. This is a paid tier Google account and I've yet to get an explanation on why this happened. It appears to be because o…

Is this an issue with all cloud providers? Or just large ones like Google, Amazon, Microsoft?

I'm currently thinking of migrating from Google for productivity to Office 365. Wondering if I'm just re-branding the risk of my counterparty.

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Post by solveit »

8note wrote: post #369
TuringNYC wrote: post #253

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>> Google is dealing with a very real problem. There are bad actors, particularly internationally, who systematically and at scale try to subvert / cheat. I really dislike this explanation because there are so many obvious things they can do. Example: 1. Force uploads of Passport/ID for identity confirmation. If you have 100 accounts with the same passport...ok...issue, but if not, is it worth human review at least?…

Those are still secondary sanctions. Op wants to be able to hire somebody with a history of abuse without google enforcing them

OP wants to be able to hire somebody with a future of abuse because they're not psychic...

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Post by bogwog »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #344
bogwog wrote: post #87

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Figuring out a fair and effective set of laws/regulations to control how these companies run their app stores seems way too hard and unrealistic. The easier and more effective solution is to simply force them to allow alternative app stores (without suppressing competition, like Google currently does). A free market tends to correct itself in the long term, so that should solve the majority of problems plaguing the m…

> A free market tends to correct itself in the long term Only if enough consumers are affected. Situations like the OP happen, but they're exceptionally rare. They just make a lot of noise.

Not necessarily. In a competitive market, Google would need to fight to win over developers, otherwise their store will be lacking apps, and therefore customers.

A noisy post like OPs would actually make Google shit themselves if they didn’t have an app store monopoly. Even if it’s a single dev out of millions, the bad press would be much more costly than making things right.

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Post by Majromax »

neilv wrote: post #347
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #267

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Google is much more profitable than your bank, and this is why. The reason tech companies sit all at the top of most valuable companies is essentially because they've automated away a ton of tasks which normally require hiring a lot of employees. The only way to fix this is to legally require it, because nobody's going to stop the profit train by themselves.

> The only way to fix this is to legally require it, because nobody's going to stop the profit train by themselves. I don't know what Google's rates of customer service failures actually are, but even a minuscule of rate of horror stories seems to hurt brand, judging from HN comments. I wonder whether fixing half of, say, 0.00000001% of cases that would otherwise be PR horror stories, could translate into measurable…

> Maybe all the math has already been done,

I doubt it. Brand value is a notoriously fuzzy concept, and corporate decision-making features a heavy measurement bias. A toxic brand might be measurable by the time it's influencing enough purchaser decisions to show up on "would you consider?" surveys, but that's an advanced stage of the problem.

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Post by phendrenad2 »

incrudible wrote: post #293

Never build on top of Google. Yes, this limits what you can do. No, that is not a bad thing.

Build on top of Google or Apple (or Microsoft or Amazon, you never know when they'll adopt this anti-user stuff too) only once you are big enough that they need you more than you need them.

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Post by ncann »

hbn wrote: post #196
duxup wrote: post #121

I know a group of devs collaborating on a side project. Same thing happened to them. They created a new developer account for this project, worked together on it, and the app vanished off the store and dev account terminated, along with one of the developer's personal developer account. They assumed, but don't know, it was because the developer who had his personal account suspended as well once worked for a company…

It's the new virus! Your account was terminated because you know a guy who knows a guy who worked at a company whose CEO is the cousin of a guy who broke Google ToS. 6 degrees of termination.

Reminds me of Nine familial exterminations in China back in the days:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_familial_exterminations

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Post by bogwog »

someotherperson wrote: post #206
bogwog wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Figuring out a fair and effective set of laws/regulations to control how these companies run their app stores seems way too hard and unrealistic. The easier and more effective solution is to simply force them to allow alternative app stores (without suppressing competition, like Google currently does). A free market tends to correct itself in the long term, so that should solve the majority of problems plaguing the m…

> Figuring out a fair and effective set of laws/regulations to control how these companies run their app stores seems way too hard and unrealistic. I don't think it's hard or unrealistic to force companies to provide realistic support. Entire industries have had this established for decades. Imagine you're renting office space and the landlord decides you've done something wrong, clears your things out and changes th…

That’s different though. There aren’t only 2 landlords in the world, so making laws that affect landlords makes sense.

But how do you design a law that corrects the bad behavior of 2 monopolists, while at the same time not adding a burden to any potential competitors (and thereby strengthening the existing monopolies)?

Forcing competition makes more sense to me. No need to get into endless debates about the risks to innovation, or government being too big, etc. Just open the gates to competition and call it a day.

If the mobile app store market goes to shit in the future, then we can start getting into the weeds of it. But for now, there’s no need for that; the answer is obvious.

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Post by zepearl »

mitchdoogle wrote: post #372
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my case, I moved to Fastmail... and yeah, the hilarious thing is people remember moving from AOL to Gmail over a decade ago, and think Gmail is still so much better than everything else. Gmail is worst-in-class at this point. It's slow, it's bloated, it's bad at spam filtering compared to the alternatives. They've been riding on people remembering email before Gmail, but not really actually stayed competitive with…

I admit I don't have a lot to compare between, but my company switched from Rackspace mail a couple years ago because of the unrelenting spam and seemingly no way to stop it. I suggested Google because I hardly ever see any spam there in my personal account, so we made the switch. The difference is night and day. I can look in the spam folder for my work email now and there are hundreds of spam messages there for the…

I believe you, but there is still the usual dark side that has been mentioned maaany times here: very often emails sent by small/tiny email providers aren't delivered at all to Gmail receivers.

That's often the case with one of my friends who has a Gmail email address: anything that I send him (once or twice a year) doesn't even show up in his spam list without first making him start an email exchange to me => in my opinion that kind of filtering is just too easy to do (come on Google, at least put it into the spam folder and/or show it as a colored/blinking line and/or put some warnings whatever - don't just delete it), and of course it poses questions about oligopoly etc. How Gmail works is just not fair (in my opinion) :(((

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