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America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Post by N1H1L »

mwint wrote: post #40
paxys wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forgot all PhDs, it is next to impossible for most students and researchers who get advanced degrees from American universities to get work visas or permanent residency. We get the best talent from all over the world, spend billions on educating them, and then force them to go home.

Is the US spending billions to educate them, or are they spending billions to be educated here?

The US is. NSF plus DOE Office of Science plus NIH is over 50 billion dollars, of which easily a third is going for training internationals PhDs and postdocs.

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Post by muzaffarpur »

rayiner wrote: post #97
kelnos wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1) The bill would create a new category of non-immigrant visa called the W visa for owners (W-1) or essential employees (W-2) of start-up companies and their dependent family members (W-3). I'm always disappointed in this style of visa. These are the kinds of people we want to keep , not make their stay contingent on working at or running a startup. To me, it's really stupid that anything but a tourist/business vis…

> To me, it's really stupid that anything but a tourist/business visit visa should be non-immigrant; all long-term stay visas should provide an easy path to permanent residence (sure, assuming whatever reasonable qualifications are met). Americans don’t want that. A lot of our immigration-related problems is that the executive branch created a de facto permanent immigration system (with modest Congressional acquiesce…

How can you be certain to say that Americans don't want that. Both parties ( considering political parties are representative of public opinion) are pro immigration during the elections. Post elections, they simply change their stance.

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Post by N1H1L »

m463 wrote: post #124
huy-nguyen wrote: post #9

Per [1], the House version contains important immigration provisions. 1) The bill would create a new category of non-immigrant visa called the W visa for owners (W-1) or essential employees (W-2) of start-up companies and their dependent family members (W-3). 2) The bill would exempt applicants holding a PhD in a STEM field from the annual per-country green card limits, enabling them to quickly apply for permanent re…

> 2) The bill would exempt applicants holding a PhD in a STEM field from the annual per-country green card limits I wonder if low-quality offshore post-hole-digger diploma mills can create a loophole for this requirement.

The updated version of the law would restrict this only to R1/R2 US universities. No foreign university, even Cambridge/Oxford would be eligible.

See https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&Fil... Page 218, lines 3 to 9:

QUALIFYING INSTITUTIONS .—The term ‘‘qualifying institutions’’ means institutions of higher education that are classified as either very-high research intensive (R1) or high research intensive (R2) status universities by the Carnegie Classification of Academic Institutions.

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Post by N1H1L »

coolso wrote: post #93
huy-nguyen wrote: post #9

Per [1], the House version contains important immigration provisions. 1) The bill would create a new category of non-immigrant visa called the W visa for owners (W-1) or essential employees (W-2) of start-up companies and their dependent family members (W-3). 2) The bill would exempt applicants holding a PhD in a STEM field from the annual per-country green card limits, enabling them to quickly apply for permanent re…

> 2) The bill would exempt applicants holding a PhD in a STEM field from the annual per-country green card limits, enabling them to quickly apply for permanent residency without being subject to the availability of an immigrant visa. This would benefit Indians and Chinese nationals the most. Are we… still giving unfair advantages to foreign nationals and companies that hire foreign nationals over Americans in 2022?

Elucidate - your unfair advantages. Honestly at this point I am sick and tired of this dog-whistling nonsense. And when called out all of you losers act all innocent about it. That shtick worked years back, but it's just plain racist in 2022 and it's well known.

Get lost.

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Post by valarauko »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #131
xeromal wrote: post #115

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They're doing the research and publishing the results during the degree. That's part of the PHD.

PhD's real work starts after they graduate.

Sure, but the argument in this thread suggests that the US is making an overall loss by funding the research carried out by foreign nationals. This is hardly the case - the value of the research is worth more than the manpower costs spent on them. Is there greater value to be had by encouraging them to stay within the country? For sure.

Look at postdocs - the US gets them at a pittance, they are more productive than PhD students and rather mentor them; and unlike graduate students, are usually overwhelmingly foreign nationals.

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Post by valarauko »

rayiner wrote: post #137
renewiltord wrote: post #128

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If you take a top experimental particle physicist and put him in Dhaka you don’t get great experimental particle physics; you get a mediocre accountant with memories of particle physics.

Fazlur Kahn, the structural engineer and architect behind the Sears Tower, once went to accept some award in his home country of Bangladesh. Someone asked why he didn’t come back home. He responded: “I design skyscrapers. What would I do here?” Which is true. At the same time, what’s been his contribution to Bangladesh? Nothing, aside from a bit of trivia I tell people when I show them around Chicago. https://en.wiki…

So what's the takeaway from the anecdote here? That Fazlur Khan should have returned to Bangladesh?

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Post by bubblethink »

N1H1L wrote: post #143
m463 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2) The bill would exempt applicants holding a PhD in a STEM field from the annual per-country green card limits I wonder if low-quality offshore post-hole-digger diploma mills can create a loophole for this requirement.

The updated version of the law would restrict this only to R1/R2 US universities. No foreign university, even Cambridge/Oxford would be eligible. See https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&Fil... Page 218, lines 3 to 9: QUALIFYING INSTITUTIONS .—The term ‘‘qualifying institutions’’ means institutions of higher education that are classified as either very-high research intensive (R1) or high research…

This sounds reasonable in that the current system probably has similar requirements in place for the CPT/OPT route. I think the text also says "(bb) from a foreign institution if such degree is the equivalent to a degree issued by a qualified United States research institution" which is murky. The likelihood of any of this passing are slim though.

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Post by valarauko »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #130
renewiltord wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you take a top experimental particle physicist and put him in Dhaka you don’t get great experimental particle physics; you get a mediocre accountant with memories of particle physics.

Let me rephrase: If you take one of Dhaka's best and brightest and remove him/her...Dhaka gets nothing.

I think the usual counter to this argument is that rather than being the best & brightest, he's a product of his time, place, and circumstances - if he were to remain in Dhaka he likely may not have been noteworthy. We really don't know one way or another.

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Post by genewitch »

butterisgood wrote: post #88
edgyquant wrote: post #41

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If this is the conclusion you reach it says more about your worldview than anything. Real world policies have nuance to them.

Nuance meaning the American oligarchy says “fuck you middle class slaves”? Then yes you read me correctly.

with run-down shacks approaching $1,000,000 in certain areas, I would be fine arguing that "middle class" is a misnomer. "working class slaves" is more apt, because we can dispense with the whole "working class" part, and shorten it to "wage slave."

Some people take offense at the "slave" terminology, but i suggest that if homelessness, death, illness, etc await you if you leave a working class job, you don't have a choice. HN has a bubble of thought that i bump against quite often, this is one of those ideas that i disagree with the zeitgeist on.

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Post by miga »

Competitiveness will get a rocket boost from duty-free incontinence underpads (sec 74765).

More duty-free exemptions smuggled in this act:

* Sec. 74733. Dog and cat apparel.

* Sec. 74747. Jewelry boxes.

* Sec. 74746. Guitar cases.

* Sec. 74750. Men's leather gloves valued at $18 or more per pair.

* Sec. 74853. Golf bag body flats.

* Sec. 74851. Golf bag bodies with rain hoods and straps.

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