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Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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Post by yunohn »

lima wrote: post #7

We need legislation forcing companies to manually review algorithmic decisions that impact people's lives - there has to be a proper appeals process. It's simply not economical for many companies to deal with the long tail of false positives, so they don't. Google has billions of users, and if their algorithms are 99.999% right about bans, their metrics look great but that's still tens of thousands users wrongfully b…

> It's simply not economical for many companies to deal with the long tail of false positives, so they don't.

This happens everywhere, not just Big Tech. Even as humans, we try to handle the 99% and ignore the 1%.

I still don’t understand what anyone is proposing - force companies to provide support against their will?

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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Post by realusername »

savant_penguin wrote: post #16
gentleman11 wrote: post #5

Googles dumb machine learning is destroying peoples lives and will continue to do so for decades unless somebody stops them. They control most of the internet and mobile space, it’s like having your water cut off permanently

I'm really unsure why people still decide to build their companies under Google products

There's only two options on mobile and both are terrible.

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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Post by jordemort »

This kind of thing is why I would never try to build a company where the business model depended on being able to sell through Apple or Google's app stores, which is a shame because it ends up excluding several large categories of possibilities.

I think there's probably a connection between the "bloat" and complexity of the modern web that the Gemini crowd rails against, and the draconian and wildly inconsistent gatekeeping that is applied to native apps for mobile platforms. It puts the Web platform in tight competition with native apps, because it is the only viable alternative; this causes developers to exert pressure to add more and more capabilities to browsers so that they can match native experiences without having to pass review or pay commissions. I wonder if browsers would have evolved in the same way if mobile devices were more open platforms.

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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Post by bogwog »

matsemann wrote: post #34
gentleman11 wrote: post #5

Googles dumb machine learning is destroying peoples lives and will continue to do so for decades unless somebody stops them. They control most of the internet and mobile space, it’s like having your water cut off permanently

I wonder if the devs behind these kind of automations ever stop and think about the ethical sides of it.

Even if they do, it’s not their responsibility to fix those problems. It’s government’s responsibility to step in and fix bad behavior that market forces can’t fix (like when it’s more economically viable to destroy thousands of livelihoods per year than to invest in human review processes)

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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Post by belter »

sccxy wrote: post #49

Always use different accounts for every Google Service. One "bad" Youtube comment can ban your Gmail account.

Or they will use your IP, say it was from the same device, or different IP same geo location...be afraid...be very afraid.

"...Youtube Account Suspended" - "...All i do is watch videos and subscribe to my favorite youtube channels while sitting on the toilet!... I have no idea what to do."

https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/21108892/youtube-a...

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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Post by gambler »

matsemann wrote: post #34
gentleman11 wrote: post #5

Googles dumb machine learning is destroying peoples lives and will continue to do so for decades unless somebody stops them. They control most of the internet and mobile space, it’s like having your water cut off permanently

I wonder if the devs behind these kind of automations ever stop and think about the ethical sides of it.

People who consider this an issue either wouldn't work for Google to begin with or end up butting heads with management and leave the company. The benefits of self-selection.

There is also a lot of internal corporate training and team-building designed to redefine "ethics" to make this sort of stuff acceptable.

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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Post by [deleted] »

yunohn wrote: post #61
lima wrote: post #7

We need legislation forcing companies to manually review algorithmic decisions that impact people's lives - there has to be a proper appeals process. It's simply not economical for many companies to deal with the long tail of false positives, so they don't. Google has billions of users, and if their algorithms are 99.999% right about bans, their metrics look great but that's still tens of thousands users wrongfully b…

> It's simply not economical for many companies to deal with the long tail of false positives, so they don't. This happens everywhere, not just Big Tech. Even as humans, we try to handle the 99% and ignore the 1%. I still don’t understand what anyone is proposing - force companies to provide support against their will?

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Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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Post by muzani »

epolanski wrote: post #37
lima wrote: post #7

We need legislation forcing companies to manually review algorithmic decisions that impact people's lives - there has to be a proper appeals process. It's simply not economical for many companies to deal with the long tail of false positives, so they don't. Google has billions of users, and if their algorithms are 99.999% right about bans, their metrics look great but that's still tens of thousands users wrongfully b…

> We need legislation forcing companies to manually review algorithmic decisions that impact people's lives, and have a proper appeals process. I don't think this is enforceable nor I think it's even possible to have such legislature. At the end of the day Google has every right to decide what they put and what they don't put on their store, with whom they do business and with whom they don't. > With how much our mod…

Apps are effectively utilities today. Apps have replaced taxis and phones. Order food through an app. Transfer money and buy things through apps. Find jobs and work those jobs through apps. Pay parking with apps. A lot of the developing world don't have a web app for certain things.

Refusing to have say, Telegram, on your app store is similar to not allowing a telco to operate. Also as much as I dislike Meta, if Apple/Google decided to remove WhatsApp/Instagram/Facebook, that would disrupt a lot of lives. Many businesses heavily rely on WhatsApp, more than they'd rely on landlines in the past.

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