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Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by kilroy123 » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 2:09 PM UTC

saiya-jin wrote: post #127

kilroy123 wrote: post #87

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Interesting. So you just laid there listening to music? No talking? No physical contact with anyone?

I did something similar with mushrooms some 15 years ago. Laid in the bed, run some nice shamanic music on endless loop, crawled under blanket, closed my eyes and experienced completely out-of-world experience, dissolving into mist of atoms, swirling in the music, and at the end re-composing myself and my senses atom by atom. At the very end it was even spiritual, which is funny since I am say agnostic and didn't hav…

Nice. Thank you for sharing. I was just talking to someone about this, this past week.

I think most people (mentally stable people) should try psychedelics at least once in their lives. The people who need to do it the most are the people in positions of power. (Political leaders, CEOs, etc.)

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by refurb » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 2:10 PM UTC

SpodGaju wrote: post #112

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These are all liberal/progressive policies enacted across the West Coast - Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Los Angelas. Progressives believe in restorative justice not prison or punishment. They believe that justice is actually righting the wrong that caused people to behave this way in the first place . "The infinite perfectability of man". That's a core progressive belief. Thus they "catch and release" for non-vi…

Also, these "progressives" have never tried to address the flaws of capitalism in any meaningful way. FDR knew what to do to "save capitalism". And organized crime and poverty climb on the backs of each other. To blame one or the other is simplistic.

So far the “fixes” for capitalism have all made things worse. But no doubt the next idea we try will fix things!

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by jvanderbot » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 2:12 PM UTC

throwaway995566 wrote: post #55

Last summer I had a psychadelic-assisted therapy session with MDMA and a guide (along with integration session after the main experience). It was one of the more powerful experiences of my life, and has led to sustained positive change in my life. The experience itself was at a hotel room I had booked. For just under six hours, I lay on the bed with an eye mask and headphones playing instrumental music picked by my g…

similar treatments are now available with ketamine.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by kingkawn » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 2:27 PM UTC

servytor wrote: post #39

I have always thought it is hysterical that there are street drugs (MDMA, Ketamine) that have an immediate impact on emotions, yet the global medical establishment only supports drugs that take 2-4 weeks to 'kick in' with a very slight change that a substantial amount of patients do not even get. What is going on when we measure competency that way.

In the drug dealing business cartels always try to wipe out competitors before taking over their markets.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by SpodGaju » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 2:29 PM UTC

chaosite wrote: post #129

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The outcome is the same no matter the difference. But can I tell you my own brother said he "could not live without Prozac." What does that sound like to you?

My own brother once said to me he "could not live without oxygen." What does that sound like to you?

No post body was provided.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by SpodGaju » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 2:34 PM UTC

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #118

SpodGaju wrote: post #102

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The outcome is the same no matter the difference. But can I tell you my own brother said he "could not live without Prozac." What does that sound like to you?

Like he’s taking a life saving medicine? How many people can’t live without insulin?

If you have never taken these medication you have never known what it is like to try to stop them. Heroin could be considered a life saving medicine in the same vein.

Prozac artificially increases serotonin as as a result your serotonin receptor density changes. So trying to stop the drug, not only do you end up with all these horrible side effect, but your depression will be much worse until your receptor density normalizes again.

There is a biological marker for the need of insulin. There is no such thing when it comes to prozac.

Keep trying people.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by SpodGaju » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 2:34 PM UTC

darksaints wrote: post #125

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An even dumber response does not explain why they thought a reply was stupid. Do you have any trusted sources for your claim?

Why should they explain anything? They're not writing a research paper, right?

Why do you think I wrote that?

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by SpodGaju » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 2:40 PM UTC

arapacana wrote: post #122

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"confront and deal with or accept a difficult or unpleasant task, fact, or situation." ? Still feel the same. Have something more insightful to add?

People with trauma and mood disorders are by definition in constant contact with what is bogging them down.

Truth! Telling people like me to "face their demons" when they pushed me into homelessness but the demons still live with me in my van.

I am not saying this to be mean, but people who have encourage these approaches do not have a mood disorder. They are sad people with sad lives.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by pmoriarty » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 2:50 PM UTC

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Anecdotally when I've taken SSRIs in the past they worked very quickly, what took 2-4 weeks was the side effects to set in. Everyone's response is so different though, I had a friend who was on an identical dose of an identical drug to me and it effectively and lastingly lifted a deep depression in them while it was the real-life equivalent of the Dementor's Kiss for me. I'm glad these tools exist and do help people,…

"Anecdotally when I've taken SSRIs in the past they worked very quickly, what took 2-4 weeks was the side effects to set in."

What worked very quickly was probably the placebo effect.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by tomatowurst » Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 2:57 PM UTC

sva_ wrote: post #32

jamal-kumar wrote: post #3

After this whole debacle in Canada [1] where two therapists were doing some downright freaky cuddle puddle from hell with a blindfold on a traumatized person, I am more curious about what they're doing to screen the therapists. These people hardly met the guidelines that MAPS set for therapy, and as described quite ridiculously violated people's well being instead. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/…

That's... Disturbing. I'm surprised I didn't hear about this before. Honestly, fuck those people.

me too i was going to sign up for this but now im really afraid now.

damn i was really looking forward to MDMA therapy to deal with PTSD stuff

there needs to be harsh consequences and strong regulation. make sure people are going to trained and licensed practioners who will agree to recorded footage.