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Re: Android Again

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i don't get it

Symbian has a 70% of the market. Why is Android suddenly so important?

sorry but as much I like Google I don't want them running the O/S on my phone.

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The iPhone has the best browser available for a smartphone... and if you have a browser you can do pretty much anything.

What is the lure going to be for people to stop moving to webapps, and suddenly embrace an open platform and installable apps?

The web, through a browser, is the best open platform IMHO

Re: Android Again

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post #2

i don't get it Symbian has a 70% of the market. Why is Android suddenly so important? sorry but as much I like Google I don't want them running the O/S on my phone.

Symbian is hell on developers. It is a platform, but it's not really used/marketed as a platform.

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post #3

The iPhone has the best browser available for a smartphone... and if you have a browser you can do pretty much anything. What is the lure going to be for people to stop moving to webapps, and suddenly embrace an open platform and installable apps? The web, through a browser, is the best open platform IMHO

What is the lure going to be for people to stop moving to webapps, and suddenly embrace an open platform and installable apps?

The fact that internet connectivity on a desktop vs. on your mobile device is different by an order of magnitude. When you get ubiquitous and fast internet on the mobile device (not some bizarre spotty coverage), then things will change. Maybe Europe is ahead in regards to that, but in the US, I don't see that happening very soon.

Edit: oh, and also the processor speeds. So, basically I will bet on webapps for mobile after 3-4 years. Until then, at least, installable apps will work better.

Another Edit: perhaps, when something like Google Gears is everywhere, it might change. But offline support - both for code and data - is kind of essential.

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post #3

The iPhone has the best browser available for a smartphone... and if you have a browser you can do pretty much anything. What is the lure going to be for people to stop moving to webapps, and suddenly embrace an open platform and installable apps? The web, through a browser, is the best open platform IMHO

What is the lure going to be for people to stop moving to webapps, and suddenly embrace an open platform and installable apps? The fact that internet connectivity on a desktop vs. on your mobile device is different by an order of magnitude. When you get ubiquitous and fast internet on the mobile device (not some bizarre spotty coverage), then things will change. Maybe Europe is ahead in regards to that, but in the US…

Europe is way way ahead so perhaps that is where the difference lies.

I don't know about processor speed, I can see some intensive 3d special effect games needing native, but for puzzle games, or most 'apps' javascript in a browser is pretty much there.

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I don't think you can generalize the PC's lead over Mac to say that Android will eventually overtake.

First, if you narrow you scope a bit you see that the Mac is still the market leader in certain market segments.

Those markets have always been dominated by Mac.

The PC dominates overall because it is a generic business machine. But can you say the same about cellphones?

It seems to me that cellphones are much more narrowly defined and used. Some are fashion accessories, some like the Blackberry are like a communication utility.

But none are a generic computing device, and I don't think they'll ever be. So it is easy to imagine the cell market being dominated by the most shiny thingy.

You could even say that with Vista's DRM, even the PC is heading that way, where the open platform will eventually be relegated to a niche enthusiast market.

People like us will pay a premium to get a PC as open as one anyone can by today.

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I don't think you can generalize the PC's lead over Mac to say that Android will eventually overtake. First, if you narrow you scope a bit you see that the Mac is still the market leader in certain market segments. Those markets have always been dominated by Mac. The PC dominates overall because it is a generic business machine. But can you say the same about cellphones? It seems to me that cellphones are much more n…

But none are a generic computing device, and I don't think they'll ever be

Matt's central assumption is that they will become generic computing devices and I concur. Why do you think they won't ever be generic computing devices? I think of my iPhone as pretty generic and "capable" of doing a lot of things. I had a dumb phone-only-phone a year ago.

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post #8

I don't think you can generalize the PC's lead over Mac to say that Android will eventually overtake. First, if you narrow you scope a bit you see that the Mac is still the market leader in certain market segments. Those markets have always been dominated by Mac. The PC dominates overall because it is a generic business machine. But can you say the same about cellphones? It seems to me that cellphones are much more n…

But none are a generic computing device, and I don't think they'll ever be Matt's central assumption is that they will become generic computing devices and I concur. Why do you think they won't ever be generic computing devices? I think of my iPhone as pretty generic and "capable" of doing a lot of things. I had a dumb phone-only-phone a year ago.

Mostly I think the UI has much less bandwidth then something like a laptop.

Why I say UI, I don't mean the iPhone, or any one phone, but any device small enough to fit into one hand.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I do think ease of use will be more of a selling point then power and capability.

Re: Android Again

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I don't think you can generalize the PC's lead over Mac to say that Android will eventually overtake. First, if you narrow you scope a bit you see that the Mac is still the market leader in certain market segments. Those markets have always been dominated by Mac. The PC dominates overall because it is a generic business machine. But can you say the same about cellphones? It seems to me that cellphones are much more n…

First, if you narrow you scope a bit you see that the Mac is still the market leader in certain market segments.

If you're willing to play the "in this market segment" game, you can make anybody a winner. OpenBSD totally has a lock on the "paranoid dudes in their mom's basement who think Debian is too damned corporate" market segment.

The PC dominates overall because it is a generic business machine. But can you say the same about cellphones?

I think you can. "A generic mobile device". There, I said it.

The PC, in hindsight, I think was obviously a case of fully proprietary (Apple) vs. mostly open (the PC, with DOS and later Windows). One can easily say, "It's the applications!" And you'd be right...but why were there more apps for PC than Mac? Bigger market, sure. But, if Apple could stop people from making applications for the Mac, and Microsoft couldn't, I know which OS I'd be developing for. And that's the situation here. Apple are basically being bastards to their customers and their developers, and because Apple products are really attractive, extremely well-executed, and generally good and useful, people haven't immediately noticed what a bastard Apple is being about the whole thing. But, I think Matt's right. People will notice that Apple is treating them like crap, with abusive contracts, abusive terms for distribution of applications, and anti-competitive practices with regard to who gets to make and sell apps for the iPhone. It's already happening, and Apple will either wise up, or lose out.

You could even say that with Vista's DRM, even the PC is heading that way, where the open platform will eventually be relegated to a niche enthusiast market.

Nobody is saying that Microsoft is open, or good for consumers. At least, I didn't take Matt's post to indicate that at all. He merely used the early PC vs. Mac war as an interesting historical precedent for what's going to play out in the mobile market and for the very same reasons: Cost, availability of apps, and control (i.e. who controls your device: you, or the manufacturer?).

I think the comparisons are pretty obvious and pretty difficult to argue against. The current behavior and direction of Microsoft (and its own historical abusive behavior) is irrelevant. Nobody is going to argue that the PC was a less open platform than the Mac in the 80s and 90s, and changes in the landscape since then don't alter history.

So it is easy to imagine the cell market being dominated by the most shiny thingy.

I think it'll be dominated by the cheapest thing that does what people want, just like PCs. It is becoming a commodity...as most mass-manufactured goods do.

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