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Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by klysm »

virtualritz wrote: post #44
abledon wrote: post #2

I don't think this stuff should be sold, say, in a gas station beside the humpty dumpty peanuts... but it does have its place. The mental health epidemic for returning veterans for example[1]: "More than 45,000 veterans and active-duty service members have killed themselves in the past six years. That is more than 20 deaths a day — in other words, __more suicides each year than the total American military deaths in A…

> I don't think this stuff should be sold, say, in a gas station beside the humpty dumpty peanuts... but it does have its place. But alcohol (or tobacco) should? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rational_scale_to_asses...

Well, there go the goal posts

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by refurb »

nkozyra wrote: post #73
refurb wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When politicians run on a progressive platform, institute progressive policies on crime (no bail, avoid prison, no punishment for QOL crime) and then crime goes nuts, I'd think twice about voting for progressive policies too . But I think your point is "no true progressive" - if the policy didn't work, then it's not progressive because progressive policies always work.

It strikes me that none* of these are "liberal policies" but rather realities that arose in a few West Coast liberal cities that simply couldn't handle the influx of people who came to SF, Portland, Seattle. * Perhaps no bail, although I think in isolation that's unlikely to be an issue These areas are always unique because transient and the homeless can live with some degree of year round comfort, so they will be na…

These are all liberal/progressive policies enacted across the West Coast - Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Los Angelas.

Progressives believe in restorative justice not prison or punishment. They believe that justice is actually righting the wrong that caused people to behave this way in the first place. "The infinite perfectability of man". That's a core progressive belief. Thus they "catch and release" for non-violent (and sometimes violent) crimes. Reduce property crimes to misdemeanors, and generally tell law abiding citizens - "just put up with quality of life issues".

Suffice to say the experiment has failed entirely.

Lawlessness begets more lawlessness. Giving people a place to shoot drugs (without treatment options) just helps addict get their fix. Not prosecuting property crimes just encourages ever more bold property crimes.

And the funny part is, it's not poverty driving much of this. It's organized crime - easy pickings, low hanging fruit. It's not the single mom trying to feed her newborn milk that is stealing catalytic converters.

I keep saying this, but history repeats itself. Major urban cities saw mass out migrations in the 60-70s for this exact reason. Crime, lawlessness, rioting, general degradation of QOL. The "Death Wish" movie series about a vigilante taking on a lawless city wasn't popular because people enjoyed the genre. I could easily see it happening again, especially with WFH. Then the "law and order" types will get elected and we'll start the whole thing over again.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by noduerme »

SpodGaju wrote: post #72
refurb wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When politicians run on a progressive platform, institute progressive policies on crime (no bail, avoid prison, no punishment for QOL crime) and then crime goes nuts, I'd think twice about voting for progressive policies too . But I think your point is "no true progressive" - if the policy didn't work, then it's not progressive because progressive policies always work.

Portland is socially progressive but they are not economically progressive. In the word, they’re neo liberal. And I hate to use that term because people don’t truly understand its meaning.

No - they're pseudo-progressive on both fronts. It's not really that. They're passive aggressive. The phrase that always goes through my mind in this city is ineffectual asshole.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by ddek »

SpodGaju wrote: post #54
servytor wrote: post #39

I have always thought it is hysterical that there are street drugs (MDMA, Ketamine) that have an immediate impact on emotions, yet the global medical establishment only supports drugs that take 2-4 weeks to 'kick in' with a very slight change that a substantial amount of patients do not even get. What is going on when we measure competency that way.

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I mean, if you've actually taken MDMA you'll know exactly why it's problematic. In terms of a user, it has a week long comedown, and diminished effects when you take it again soon (about a month) after.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by SpodGaju »

jonsen wrote: post #77
SpodGaju wrote: post #59

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To say that people with mood disorders are “not facing the darkest fears” is about as primitive and frankly stupid as it gets.

I guess you could benefit from consulting a dictionary on 'to face'.

"confront and deal with or accept a difficult or unpleasant task, fact, or situation."

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Still feel the same. Have something more insightful to add?

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by SpodGaju »

dicefordeath wrote: post #79
SpodGaju wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/026988111037254... The fact that I have to post this and that is not known for a drug that’s existed for this long is because People need to be spoonfed their sources. It’s hacker news, I’m not writing a research paper. And even just ligically, if Prozac worked why do we still have all these issues with depression and PTSD?

One of the stupidest replies I've read on HN--well done

An even dumber response does not explain why they thought a reply was stupid.

Do you have any trusted sources for your claim?

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by kilroy123 »

throwaway995566 wrote: post #55

Last summer I had a psychadelic-assisted therapy session with MDMA and a guide (along with integration session after the main experience). It was one of the more powerful experiences of my life, and has led to sustained positive change in my life. The experience itself was at a hotel room I had booked. For just under six hours, I lay on the bed with an eye mask and headphones playing instrumental music picked by my g…

Interesting. So you just laid there listening to music? No talking? No physical contact with anyone?

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by bin_bash »

moritonal wrote: post #67
virtualritz wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think this stuff should be sold, say, in a gas station beside the humpty dumpty peanuts... but it does have its place. But alcohol (or tobacco) should? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rational_scale_to_asses...

I believe this is an almost text-book case of the Straw man argument[1]. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

I think it's Whataboutism, not Straw man

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by SpodGaju »

noduerme wrote: post #78
SpodGaju wrote: post #70

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Fellow anarchist here who was the Hassled by the feds after 9/11. So you’ve taken up the I’ve pulled myself up with my own bootstraps defense. I don’t demean that at all, but you did not grow up the same way as a 20 year old in your yard did. To be a progressive, and I’m not talking about these progressives that you think you have in the Portland government, is to understand that we all don’t share the same life expe…

You know I just had an argument with three union reps at a bar tonight - basically around the idea that "you were lucky..." but the outcome as phrased by one of them was "individual thoughts don't matter, I have no interest in that. Everything is systemic". I've staked my entire life on being an individual who won't support a team, a religion, or a social movement (beyond individual points I agree with). I happen to…

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Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by SpodGaju »

noduerme wrote: post #83
SpodGaju wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Portland is socially progressive but they are not economically progressive. In the word, they’re neo liberal. And I hate to use that term because people don’t truly understand its meaning.

No - they're pseudo-progressive on both fronts. It's not really that. They're passive aggressive . The phrase that always goes through my mind in this city is ineffectual asshole .

Yes, passive aggressive:

"Passive-aggressive people regularly exhibit resistance to requests or demands from family and other individuals often by procrastinating, expressing sullenness, or acting stubborn."

"What do we want!?"

"Ending homelessness!"

"When do we want it?"

"It's impossible!"

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