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The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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I do the exact same job in my office than with my laptop anywhere else. Im in my mid 30s, and most of employees are +45 in my job. They really want to come back, and there are already a few in there, but whats the point? I guess they feel lonely, bosses too, but my life is so much better with WFH. Now Im just used to go places with my laptop, my phone as hotspot, and do work somewhere nice and quiet. I can even trave…

It might go either way to be honest. I'm currently living and working Spain as a SWE (immigrant) for a US company and the amount of useless meetings there is insane. That makes it quite hard to work on-the-go as half of the day is spent in meetings (most of them with camera turned on).

>most of them with camera turned on

Just record a loop of yourself and use OBS as a virtual camera.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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Use your sick time dude not vacation days

At some places, you get to choose when to use sick days but not vacation days. All else being equal, in that case, I'd sometimes prefer to burn vacation.

Every job I've had they are one and the same. You just have PTO.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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> all the benefits of working from home (no commute, more focus, hanging out with the dog, whatever it may be) More focus…hanging out with the dog… These things literally contradict each other. The fact that someone can type this out and not even realize that just goes to show why everyone is convinced they have become so much more productive WFH, when companies dhar actually track their employees and their productiv…

You can be more productive while also having more time for things that aren't work. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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Sadly I dont think there are good short term incentives for most companies to go 100% remote yet. For example, most companies obtain tax benefits from buying office space which incentivates company owners to invest on real estate without spending their own money, then there are mid-managers who keep people accountable only through meetings. And from the political perspective, why would some local politicians be interested on incentaviting remote works? that would hit hard other businesses like restaurants at business areas and that would also decrease housing prices, rental prices and local population because people could decide to move to other more affordable areas.

Covid19 created a real short-term incentive for remote work, that generated some momentum around it, there are some companies which saw the real productive value behind remote work but most others didn't see it and they are taking these mid-road of "hybrid" work.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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There is a big reason to Work from office, apart from the merits of the case like close collaboration, productivity et al. Most important of all is being able to see your manager on a day to day basis, a lot of people don't really understand how important seeing your bosses on a day to day basis can be to their careers.

Most people have a problem of neglecting what isn't front of them, it's not malice or anything its just how it is. We ourselves have forgotten people with whom we don't have in person check often. People change with time, and people tend to work more closely, and are more likely to give promotions, rewards or anything for that matter to people with whom they have a daily check-in.

I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years, compensation, benefits and overall career trajectories of people who work with top bosses at office is better than those working from remote.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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You can use the Zoom chat and just share your screen to use as a whiteboard. No need for audio.

Unless you're steno-typing, good luck matching speech speed with your typing. And I'm not even talking about audio & visual cues. There's no way typing can replace speech in an actual meeting. It's better reserved to either deliberate asynchronous communication, or very short, often purely factual, conversations.

> There's no way typing can replace speech in an actual meeting.

I think it can come close, provided everyone involved are experienced, fast typists, but it’s definitely a different dynamic if someone is slower. I’ve had incredibly fast chats in typing that were close to real time, face to face discussions. And when you reach a certain speed, the illusion of actual speech and listening is created, which is a fascinating phenomenon in and of itself. There’s a certain level where you reach peak verbal acuity and everything you type transcends the medium itself. At that point, you can seemingly intuit little tics, idiosyncrasies, sarcasm, humor, emotion—almost everything you get in a real time, face to face meeting.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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The problem with Zoom calls in the office is that you usually do them at your desk rather than in a meeting room, and when you do that, you are totally destroying the productivity of anyone who happens to be in the room with you. Not to mention what happens if several people in the same room have different calls at the same time...

The absolute worst is being in an office with several people who are on the same call as you at their own desks. You can neither listen to the call nor the person near you speaking and you hear everything the say with a 2 second delay.

I've had that as the standard practice for meetings at a job so we accommodate remote/other employees but the employer had bought us good noise-canceling headsets so there was no issue when a person near to you will be speaking.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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It might go either way to be honest. I'm currently living and working Spain as a SWE (immigrant) for a US company and the amount of useless meetings there is insane. That makes it quite hard to work on-the-go as half of the day is spent in meetings (most of them with camera turned on).

We rearely do that. We just type the stuff we need in teams and the occasional formative talk once a month or so. Meetings are about twice a year, and they appear in my teams calendar so I can plan ahead. When I feel we need a serious discussion I write a long ass text, and people usually follows without needing a call. It's like forums, so that's something I'm used to. But again, my job is very jump in, jump out. I…

That sounds like a dream to be honest. I wish I could work without having meetings where nobody likes to say anything and it just drags on.

Wrt the SW job, it might be more difficult in the beginning as it takes some focus to understand the system and how your work fits into the bigger whole. After a time it becomes easier to understand and to jump in, jump out.

Of course this completely depends on the company and job type. My job is very non-demanding and I can easily coast by on just 3-4 hours of work a day. Other people are in a different situation.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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I don't understand the headline. What's the 'worst part of working from home' in this context? In my case, my employer isn't forcing anyone to come back to the office, but there's definitely an unspoken understanding that 'collaboration' and 'team feeling' will improve if we're at the office more often. But when I go to the office it perfectly reflects the experiences described in the article: I'm almost always the o…

> […] and I always have to work twice as hard for the following days at home […] Why? If socializing in the office is part of your job now (explicitly or implicitly), you're working your hours either way. If that leaves you with too little time to get things done, address it with your manager.

> If that leaves you with too little time to get things done, address it with your manager.

While there definitely are exceptions, addressing something like this with an average manager is useless to contra-productive.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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"Emergency" WFH at my workplace have been slashed, everyone back in full since the start of the month. No reason publically given, been privately told "not about people like you, but some others have taken a 2 year vacation so management is fed up". I have emails from the CEO personally thanking me for my commitment in going way over what was expected when basically saving the institution during lockdown, so now I also feel kind of personally insulted and victim of ham-handed collective punishment.

I hate being back: My gear at home is better, I have to work in uncomfortable clothes and at a room temperature that makes me sweat within minutes. I have to work in an N95 mask since we are packed in small 4 person cubicles and COVID numbers are still too high in my area. I'm spending more on gas and wasting time in traffic. I'm eating worse quality food. I keep getting interrupted by exactly those sames guys that took the 2 year vacation. I feel hard to concentrate and I'm angry all the time so my output has suffered.

I keep sending IMs to people I work with, we never need to actually meet.

Now you have to apply for a new more restrictive WFH scheme. Those wanting to sign up to it had a meeting with our direct manager where he tried to discourage us with thinly veiled threats about "special performance measuring procedures" and trite arguments about how it is unfair not being here for the people that want to come.

We applied the same, but now HR is telling us that they can't approve our WFH requests since they can't guarantee that our screen setup at home is safe and we haven't completed a "Data Display Device Setup and Handling" course in the last three years. They don't know when the course will be offered again. I've been programming for more than 35 years now, so again I kind of feel doubly insulted, both by the bare faced obstructionism and ridiculous particular hurdle.

I'd leave, I even feel I'm morally in the wrong for not leaving. But the thing is that the pay is good, that I'm of an age prone to experiencing ageism in the job market, and also this is a place where I have ample slack for tuning my output and inmerse myself in side projects or personal improvement, so their loss...

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