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Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Post by kelnos »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #346
kbenson wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So can microsoft, adobe, google, etc. Even without them, NSA can intercept the hardware and put their software on those boxes... Those companies often actually have people scan the hardware they receive to check for alterations. There was a whole thing about this a decade ago where a reporter (wrongly, IIRC) accused Facebook and Google of having compromised motherboards, and people from those companies were comment…

I was talking about google/apple being able to inject arbitrary code into (almost) any phone via (eg.) google play service update or whatever apple has. Also microsoft with windows update, and many other companies too.

Do you have evidence that this happens due to outside or government interference in the company's release process? If not, this is just a conspiracy theory.

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Post by wnevets »

usednet wrote: post #350
wnevets wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm getting deja vu to when I was told Russian's continued invasion of Ukraine was just propaganda by the West [1] https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1494006204896620548

I’m getting deja vu to “WMDs”, “moderate rebels,” “dictators,” and “national security.” Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

is a record for how quick someone can turned to whataboutism?

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Post by kbenson »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #346
kbenson wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So can microsoft, adobe, google, etc. Even without them, NSA can intercept the hardware and put their software on those boxes... Those companies often actually have people scan the hardware they receive to check for alterations. There was a whole thing about this a decade ago where a reporter (wrongly, IIRC) accused Facebook and Google of having compromised motherboards, and people from those companies were comment…

I was talking about google/apple being able to inject arbitrary code into (almost) any phone via (eg.) google play service update or whatever apple has. Also microsoft with windows update, and many other companies too.

I was really referring to the part of your comment about the NSA's ability to intercept the hardware.

It's true that any any software that allows auto-updating can be used to load arbitrary code onto a system, limited only by whatever additional safeguards are in place. In the case of the OS vendor, that can't really be guarded against, but it exists farther up the stack as well. Chrome and Firefox can just as easily load nefarious code onto your computer, limited only by what the OS prevents (which is generally more on a mobile platform, thankfully) and what their own reputation can sustain if they were found doing so.

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Post by airtonix »

kelnos wrote: post #351
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was talking about google/apple being able to inject arbitrary code into (almost) any phone via (eg.) google play service update or whatever apple has. Also microsoft with windows update, and many other companies too.

Do you have evidence that this happens due to outside or government interference in the company's release process? If not, this is just a conspiracy theory.

They didn't claim that this happens because of government interference... -_-

It's also not a theory.

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Post by dikaio »

JabavuAdams wrote: post #280
alimov wrote: post #247

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While the methods may differ, is this not true of any governments intelligence agencies? Whether or not there is press/courts/rule of law. For press to report on an event they have to be aware of it, for courts to intervene they also have to be aware of it, for rule of law to matter then no part of a government can operate outside of it in any manner, so no extrajudicial actions either.

The point of press/courts/rule of law is that at least you have a chance. Without those, no chance. That matters. The US is not some monolithic entity. It's almost weirdly schizophrenic. Yes, the government will e.g. use some super-shaky legal arguments to justify torture ahem "enhanced interrogation", but on the other hand Freedom of Information Act requests still get processed. Yes, the NSA will spy on US citizens,…

“there is a broad and deep tradition of fighting the government and not going to jail like Navalny.”

Guess the 98% Federal conviction rate isn’t accounted for when talking about the deep tradition of citizens fighting the government.

Personal opinion, all governments are corrupt, including the US

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Post by ummwhat »

PoignardAzur wrote: post #321
JabavuAdams wrote: post #124

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The problem is: how do you run a business that has offices and physical assets in Russia, without being at least partially beholden to the Russian government? They have demonstrated that they are not shy about using gangster tactics. One could say that the same is true in the US, but I believe the degree matters. Although the US government and intelligence agencies will and do try to overreach, there is a strong lega…

> One could say that the same is true in the US, but I believe the degree matters. Although the US government and intelligence agencies will and do try to overreach, there is a strong legal and cultural tradition of exposing, resisting, and fighting these overreaches in the US. That point would be a lot stronger if the US government hadn't demonstrated shocking callousness and disregard for international law in their…

Hold up. Downed a plane is different from grounded a plane. I don't know the Belarusian case, but either you misused the word or they are very different.

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Post by paulryanrogers »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #320
temp8964 wrote: post #121

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No. You need to understand what you are comparing to. The question is comparing US and Russia. No. It’s not the same. But you turned this question into comparing US to perfection. Yes, you are right. US is not perfection. But there is a big difference between 70 to 10, even both are not 100. What Snowden revealed does not make 70 to 10. If you think that way, you don’t understand how bad an authoritarian regime is.

Putting a numeric value on this is silly. The fact is that the United States government can compel companies to aid in its surveillance (just recall when they forced Snowden's email provider to install a backdoor). Even if a company does not want to participate or is not compelled to do so, the US government has very significant capacity to break into and co-opt systems (all the way from targeted surveillance of indi…

Isn't the difference that the government cannot permanently keep such compromises secret? They have to have a warrant for a limited period of time and limited scope?

Illegal NSA dragnets and perjury in front of Congress notwithstanding.

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Post by throw__away7391 »

wnevets wrote: post #348
usednet wrote: post #338

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Nobody within the hacking scene actually believed that story. It’s remarkable that there’s been 0 evidence that Kaspersky has ever had a backdoor yet so many people believe it. The NSA’s own incompetence led them to run an antivirus on a computer with Equation Group spyware on it. Keep in mind that Kaspersky had been fighting Western intelligence services for years at that point. Israeli intelligence actually breache…

I'm getting deja vu to when I was told Russian's continued invasion of Ukraine was just propaganda by the West [1] https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1494006204896620548

I hadn't seen this. Wow, what a fail. Like not only factually wrong but parrots Putin's now quite obviously false narrative about the motivation, which I don't remember seeing anyone else outside of the Kremlin doing.

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Post by Dance_clubber »

30/03/2022 my.kaspersky.com account got wiped, passwords saved in password manager are gone. account related to my licence on store.kaspersky.com remained. Their customer service were willing to argue that i had no account on my.kaspersky.com, this issue is unresolved until now. My email communication to their customer support is not rejected on their side.
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