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When I was labeled a ‘troubled’ teen, I obliged

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I was sent to one of these schools and attended from late 2005 - early 2007. The school was called Excel Academy about an hour north of Houston; it has since been shut down. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excel_Academy_(Conroe,_Texas) My reasons for being sent there are similar to the author's. I didn't take my dad's car without permission, but I did drink a lot, skip school, was generally rebellious and refused to be…

I was in elan and yea, a lot of similarities. elan had a pretty extensive class system. Shot down was the lowest, worker was standard entry level, then expeditor, then something else, then guru, and I can’t remember the rest. Anything lower then expeditor weren’t allowed to talk to one another without a higher up “being aware” or couldn’t use the bathroom without an escort(who could deny you if they were busy or just…

The school I went to did the same with stripped identity. No logo clothing, everyone got the same haircuts. Kids on punishment “learning experience” wore either a bright Orange shirt or red shirt with the words “learning experience” or orange jumpsuit with “runaway call 911” written all over it.

We didn’t have access to anything like music, computers, phones, etc. The only contact we had with the outside world was through supervised parent phone calls, supervised doctor visits (only if you absolutely had to go off-site), and supervised on-site family visits once you were promoted to strength.

Excel’s program was rooted in AA which they claimed didn’t require a higher power or religion, only a belief in a higher power outside of yourself.

It was an incredibly controlling environment. The amazing thing is, even in such a place I managed to form some good memories and forget a lot of the bad. I immersed myself in schoolwork, and duties like working in the kitchen which was an enjoyable outlet since I like cooking.

At the end though, I guess I was just one of those who faked their way to the top (strength) as I was one of the fastest students ever to reach the appropriate level, but I hid my unhappiness and disagreement with their methods and refused to return as soon as I turned 18 and had my first off-campus visit.

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> By what measure? Cultural relevance or actual legal authority? Both. Wales made corporeal punishment illegal recently. That would be unthinkable in most of the world. In most Asian cultures, children have a lifelong obligation to their parents. In the US, once you're an adult, you're on your own and it's not uncommon to have limited contact with your parents. > We have a much better idea now about how to meet the d…

>Wales made corporeal punishment illegal recently. That would be unthinkable in most of the world. In most Asian cultures, children have a lifelong obligation to their parents. China banned corporal punishment during the communist revolution of 1949, and is about to enact new laws that strengthen enforcement in rural areas and send offending parents to reeducation facilities. Japan banned it in 1947, and passed anoth…

Do you really think these studies are "well-controlled"? If the studies showed the opposite result, would your opinion be different?

> Answer me this: is there any type of evidence you would accept? If you were to design a study to determine whether corporal punishment is helpful or harmful, what method would you use? How big would the study have to be? How strong of a correlation would you need to see to believe it?

If some mad scientist does an interventional study I would take that seriously. Can't happen, of course.

I'm not "in favor of corporeal punishment". I just don't accept the evidence that it's bad. I don't think questions like this are answerable with observational studies. Like my original post said, my view is that parents are inevitably going to experiment on their kids and that's the way it should be. There's a line somewhere, but spanking isn't over it.

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I have a question. Do these programs exist in other countries? A cursory search (I honestly am not sure what I should be looking for) couldn't find any here in Australia. Is this a uniquely American thing? Surely not, I assume. If it's not, do these programs have the same horrible stories coming out of them elsewhere, and if they don't, does that not paint a picture that the approach taken in the US isn't a good one?…

Found this within two clicks after searching "Troubled Teens Australia": https://teenchallenge.com.au/our-program Seemed scary at first to me (for example, they only allow a single 10-minute phone call per week to friends and family during your stay, and religion + teens makes me think of the Christian Brotherhood shit), but people swear by it on Reddit.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/10/18/the-shadow-pen...

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How do these cases not result in mass prosecutions? It shouldn't be too hard to tie a few people to the abuse at these schools, then police say, "give us names and help us understand who was responsible at the top, or you're looking at many, many years in prison for child abuse and we'll just find someone else who'll talk" You know, the same way prosecutors go after mobsters and drug rings

A lot of these places are located in counties or states with lax regulations and rules around this. The one I went to "lost" a few of my classmates' patient notes and histories. Also, a lot of the stuff they do isn't illegal. It's just emotionally abusive at times, but because you have all this "support" and attention around its not really seen as neglect. All the kids look healthy, they're exercising, eating three t…

> These programs take advantage of families in very vulnerable times.

And yet, the majority of the kids there are placed there by CPS, not by parents.

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The parents get brainwashed by these companies. It's like a cult mindset. They've got the script down perfectly, preying on the parents insecurities and fears until rational people make irrational, fucked-up decisions.

Pretty much. elan knew exactly what the parents wanted to hear and see and would tailor the parents tour or questions around that.

But what about most kids there are from group homes or foster situations? Those people don't have that excuse, except perhaps for the first kid. The comic states they send dozens of kids there, over the years. So for CPS, the "they didn't know" doesn't apply.
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