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Are we wrong about Web3?

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Re: Are we wrong about Web3?

#41
I'm going to reprise a comment of mine that I posted on a similar HN article some time ago.

Over the years I've witnessed a lot of heated debates on HN... Is the JS ecosystem actually too complex? Is PHP really a fractal of bad design? Is learning vim worth the effort or is it all hype? Is golang fundamentally broken because it lacks(lacked) generics? Does anyone ever actually need k8s? Is nosql always the wrong choice? Is the linux desktop experience truly productive or should you just use a mac? Types or no types? 100% test coverage or overkill? X or Wayland? Gnome2 or Unity? Android or iPhone etc...

Yet, only in the cryptocurrency debate do defenders have to offer up a disclaimer about all the scams, hype, vaporware, fraud, waste, hacks, speculation, crime and other insanity before proceeding to make an appeal to the nebulous hope of future possibilities, as if cryptocurrency isn't older than instagram....

Re: Are we wrong about Web3?

#42
I’m happy that the author starts to have doubts and consider being wrong. I hope that in a few moons they can write a blog post titled “we were wrong about Web3” and focus on their main product that sounds promising.

Re: Are we wrong about Web3?

#43
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The horrible reality is that even if the web had effective and popular micropayments infrastructure it would have micropayments and adverts on top . Just look at how advertising is creeping into premium streaming services.

Subscriptions and ads have gone together like peanut butter and jelly since the print age. If you subscribe to The New York Times or Cosmopolitan you have qualified yourself as being interested in the subject, attached to the brand, and not hopelessly penurious. An advertiser would rather pay to get a message in front of a paid subscriber rather than anyone else.

One time I rented a unit in working-class neighborhood for 6 months and not surprisingly the amount of junk mail was half what I was used to.

Re: Are we wrong about Web3?

#45
I just don't get web3 and what problems it solves. People say it solves centralization but I see no means of accomplishing this. I can't see how it doesn't end up like email. Sure, you can host your own email, but the service is very centralized. Yeah, gmail, yahoo, and hotmail might only host 51% of emails, but how many of those other email addresses are fake, temporary, or for bots? If you sample from people around you it is hard to find an address outside these domains and so the sampling likelihood doesn't match the model's probabilities. Email is highly centralized. We can similarly see high centralization in browsers. Functionally there isn't much difference between Chrome and FireFox yet people will promote one over the other with such religious fervor that you'd think they offer different functionalities.

Web3 has no mechanism to prevent centralization. There are such things as natural monopolies, and these typically happen through network effects. This network effect is so powerful that everyone uses Google Maps. Web3 does nothing to prevent this (we even have to ask if we want to prevent this). So what is it solving? Hosting monopolies? If that's what it is solving then it seems like there are likely better ways and no need for the blockchain.

I even say this as someone that thinks there's value in cryptocurrencies and NFTs. Yeah, a lot of scammers in the area, but I can see some utility in the ideas (but huge noise to signal ratio). I just can't see any signal in web3.

Re: Are we wrong about Web3?

#46

If you are expecting your business to be around in 2023 you should shut up about "Web3". If you want to have good people for customers, if you want to hire good employees, if you want to have good vendors, shut up about "Web3". Don't take good free software like "Git" and slander it by associating it with platforms that charge fees on top of fees on top of fees; platforms that charge you fees to pay your fees that ma…

"Don't take good free software like "Git" and slander it by associating it with platforms that charge fees on top of fees on top of fees"

There's nothing 'slanderous' about 'charging fees' for something, and that has nothing to do with why it's 'Web 1' vs. 'Web 3'.

'Web 3' is a nebulous concept bordering on ridiculous, and Git really isn't part of it by their own definition.

People should stop talking about 'Web 3' because it's mostly a marketing term that's based on a meme, not some kind reality.

The article is not fully unreasonable, it's nuanced, your reaction to it is over the top.

Re: Are we wrong about Web3?

#47
post #14

web3 definitely could be as successful as git if you remove the payments side of it. Without payments web3 starts to look like an interesting and useful idea. Ownership of content, federation between platforms, trustless publishing, etc are concepts the web lacks, and that could definitely be interesting to layer on top of the web. Adding payments into the mix kills it like every other microtransaction protocol thoug…

> Ownership of content

Blockchains do nothing to advance this cause, it's a technical shell game, "ownership of content" is already possible without blockchains.

> Federation between platforms

Same as above.

> trustless publishing

Same as above.

"Web3" is a highly technical MLM scheme, it's not a solution to the concerns you have expressed.

Re: Are we wrong about Web3?

#48

If you are expecting your business to be around in 2023 you should shut up about "Web3". If you want to have good people for customers, if you want to hire good employees, if you want to have good vendors, shut up about "Web3". Don't take good free software like "Git" and slander it by associating it with platforms that charge fees on top of fees on top of fees; platforms that charge you fees to pay your fees that ma…

I wish I could upvote this twice.

Re: Are we wrong about Web3?

#49
Looking at the author's LinkedIn, I see Luke has no engineering background, and no STEM experience. His expertise before becoming cofounder of Terminus is in diplomacy and marketing. It's weird to be write articles on Git and Terminus being Web3 without a clear understanding of either.

I can only imagine the DMs flying around in their company's slack after this post went out.

Re: Are we wrong about Web3?

#50
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. My first job in tech was with a platform that promised a "Web 2.0" experience that was centered around drag-and-drop. Take a wild guess as to whether they're still around...

There was a lot of web 2.0 hype around the late 90s / early aughts. Lots of companies that tried to cash in on a trend without a solid business model. That said, the situation was appreciably different to now. Web 2.0, as I understand it, was about increasing interactivity so websites aren't all static, which has the possibility of being beneficial to end users. Web 3.0, as I understand it, is crypto-nonsense.

I agree, and also it's easy to forget how silly "Web 2.0" was

Not the technology itself, that was great, and was already named.

When Web 2.0 arrived as a buzzword the web was already an interactive, dynamic platform with databases, server and client side scripting, user generated content and social networking. All of the technologies involved were in fairly widespread use.

For a minute the term Web 2.0 might have been a way to recognize how cool the natural evolution of the web was, but it was quickly co-opted for use as cutting edge sounding investor bait. Same general principle as Web 3.0, but with useful technology.

Side note: The Web 2.0 hype was mostly a 2000's thing.

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