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IP over Avian Carriers RFC 1149 event (2001)

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Re: IP over Avian Carriers RFC 1149 event (2001)

#11

There is Avian and Sneakernet, any other esoteric RFCs? I've always wondered if you could send data on migrating shoals of fish like Salmon?

My favorite is RFC 6919, "Further Key Words for Use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement Levels"[1], which adds more keywords in the same spirit as MUST and SHOULD, such as,

> The phrase "OUGHT TO" conveys an optimistic assertion of an implementation behavior that is clearly morally right, and thus does not require substantiation.

[1]: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6919

Re: IP over Avian Carriers RFC 1149 event (2001)

#12

There is Avian and Sneakernet, any other esoteric RFCs? I've always wondered if you could send data on migrating shoals of fish like Salmon?

Here's a list of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools%27_Day_Request_for...

Let's see what's being added there in two days...

Re: IP over Avian Carriers RFC 1149 event (2001)

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post #4

r/BirdsArentReal will definitely get a kick out of this

Sure, it's all fun & games when everyone is in on the joke. Just like the flat earthers, up until some musician gets into a twitter spat with Neil Degrasse Tyson over the flatness (or lack thereof) of the Earth. Only with birds, we'll have non-ironic activists burning down chicken coops and claiming the so-called "meat" we buy in supermarkets is some kind of mind control or Soylent Green, and all evidence that it sta…

True, unironic Flat earthers are still an extreme fringe of mostly mentally ill people. If anything, the most common conspiracy theory about flat earth is that it's a psyop to discredit...other conspiracy theories lol. You'd be considered as a complete weirdo for believing in flat earth even amongst qanon types.

It's funny though since the "5g tower burning, covid denying flat earther" caricature has become so overused that some believe that it's actually a real thing. But in reality it's so incredibly uncommon

Re: IP over Avian Carriers RFC 1149 event (2001)

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, it's all fun & games when everyone is in on the joke. Just like the flat earthers, up until some musician gets into a twitter spat with Neil Degrasse Tyson over the flatness (or lack thereof) of the Earth. Only with birds, we'll have non-ironic activists burning down chicken coops and claiming the so-called "meat" we buy in supermarkets is some kind of mind control or Soylent Green, and all evidence that it sta…

Where the claims that meat is mind control or Soylent Green?

That was speculation of where the fledgling #BirdsArentReal movement could end up, but I'm really not serious about my criticism of the meme.

As a sibling comment to yours pointed out, true believers of things like a flat earth are an extreme minority and I'm not particularly concerned that a parody conspiracy theory will cause much harm. I doubt the few true believers will be burning chicken coops any more than flat earthers are blowing up globes. (I really hope I'm not wrong about that, I do like chicken quite a bit).

And we, as a society & individuals, can't and shouldn't be 100% serious about everything 100% of the time. We should be able to laugh at things, even very serious things. For example I find it pretty funny that some Russian tanks are being abducted by Ukrainian farmers w/ tractors. I can also see how deadly serious it is: It's not like they're just a few viral videos made by influencers, it's everyday people like farmers trying to take deadly resources out of the hands of an invading army.

Re: IP over Avian Carriers RFC 1149 event (2001)

#16
Funny that this would come up. This event was what inspired the last picture in a book I'm working on.

In the same vein, I actually built a device once that allowed you to send http messages via black and white marbles rolling down a tube. It was very slow (and the simplest message required refilling the hopper many times).

I used some drawings of an old gumball machine to design the dispenser, and I used an Arduino with a color sensor and an LED in a 3d printed tunnel to detect the marble color. I had to bury the sensor inside a tunnel with several twists and turns to block out enough ambient light to get a reliable signal.

https://www.networksfromscratch.com/1.html#whats-next

Re: IP over Avian Carriers RFC 1149 event (2001)

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I have proudly used RFC 1149s and 2549 many times over the years, (as straight faced as possible) as learning aids for INFOSEC and Help desk n00bs. Being able to introduce intentionally humorous material (that is documented within a scientific document process) has been a huge help.

Re: IP over Avian Carriers RFC 1149 event (2001)

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post #3

When I read that RFC, I imagined that a barcode would be more reliable to read in and process than printing the hex characters.

Typical 1D barcode has a size limit, and the RFC is from 1990. Nowadays you could just use a QR code, which would be comfortable enough to have a 1500 MTU in a single QR code. It probably warrants an additional layer so multiple QR codes can be transmitted by a single carrier.

Re: IP over Avian Carriers RFC 1149 event (2001)

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where the claims that meat is mind control or Soylent Green?

That was speculation of where the fledgling #BirdsArentReal movement could end up, but I'm really not serious about my criticism of the meme. As a sibling comment to yours pointed out, true believers of things like a flat earth are an extreme minority and I'm not particularly concerned that a parody conspiracy theory will cause much harm. I doubt the few true believers will be burning chicken coops any more than flat…

The united states consumer protection twitter has been championing humor in this area https://mobile.twitter.com/USCPSC/status/1478844214574305282?

I like your points about the necessity of humor and i think its the only way to the future for us without mass psychosis and cultural schizming. When biomorphic-engineered bird-drones can fly autonomously, and pigeons have been carrying IP for the ruling class for thousands of years, we are going to need some comedy to settle the #birdsarereal issue

Re: IP over Avian Carriers RFC 1149 event (2001)

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Not so funny at times: an article from 2009, "In Africa, A Pigeon Transfers Data Faster Than The Internet": * https://www.wired.com/2009/09/in-africa-a-pigeon-transfers-d... * https://spectrum.ieee.org/carrier-pigeon-beats-internet-

A truck full of storage volumes can have a higher bandwidth than fiber. Just really bad latency.
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