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Re: Ask HN: Why do search engines not let you blacklist spam domains?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kagi will be paid when it exits beta and has this feature!

Which means you can never use it in an incognito session without logging in

An incognito session provides privacy against other people who have casual access to your computer. It provides no extra security or privacy in the context of search providers.

Re: Ask HN: Why do search engines not let you blacklist spam domains?

#52
Because Google and Bing (therefore Duck) are increasingly answer engines, keeping you on their page, supporting the SEO ecosystem and most importantly their ad revenues and network customers.

We and the other few independent search engines have not made enough dent on the market to suffer SEO spam. We'll have a way to deal with it (watch this space). Right now you'll certainly get results "off the beaten path" and with one click you can try out 8 other search options [0].

[0] https://blog.mojeek.com/2022/02/search-choices-enable-freedo...

Re: Ask HN: Why do search engines not let you blacklist spam domains?

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post #15
post #9

Kagi allows you to weigh domains.

I switched to Kagi yesterday and I am so far very impressed. I did this search to answer another comment and later did the Google one: https://kagi.com/search?q=What+does+that+site+make+you+drag+... https://google.com/search?q=What+does+that+site+make+you+dra... Kagi shows the exact answer in the first result. Google gives no relevant answers on the first five pages (did not go further). Probably because Google focus…

Funny side effect of this post: For me the first link in the kagi results is now the link to kagi itself with the same search term.

Re: Ask HN: Why do search engines not let you blacklist spam domains?

#54
post #28

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The pricing (in the FAQ) is a non-starter for me, but there are probably enough people with the money for it to make a nice business out of it. Maybe it'll be enough to apply some competitive pressure to Google. edit: to be clear, it's not unwillingness, I literally do not have $10-30/month to spare without compromising my progress toward not being perpetually broke. Not everyone here is a well-compensated tech worke…

The pricing is actually one of Kagi's most interesting features to me. There's an old phrase "If you aren't paying for the service then you're the product". I'd be suspicious of any price too low, as it would indicate they have another revenue stream.

I think that saying was updated to "even if you're paying, you're still probably the product"? No? There's some truth to it, but it's not as simple as these sayings suggest.

Re: Ask HN: Why do search engines not let you blacklist spam domains?

#56

Because Google and Bing (therefore Duck) are increasingly answer engines, keeping you on their page, supporting the SEO ecosystem and most importantly their ad revenues and network customers. We and the other few independent search engines have not made enough dent on the market to suffer SEO spam. We'll have a way to deal with it (watch this space). Right now you'll certainly get results "off the beaten path" and wi…

Not only are they becoming answer engines, in Google's case there's a decent chance that they're making money off the spammy pages.

If the top results are "SEO stuffed spam websites", they're probably also loaded with ads. If they're loaded with ads, there's a good chance that they're using Google's ads.

If the top results are "SEO stuffed spam websites", there's a good chance they're chock-full of affiliate links. If a search for "best baby formula" is going to end up costing Amazon an affiliate fee via an "SEO stuffed spam website", Amazon might as well just buy a Google ad for that keyword and cut out the "SEO stuffed spam website". If the results go to pages that are just going to cost a seller money anyway, it gives the seller more incentive to buy ads since they aren't getting free traffic from the search engine anyway.

While being an answer engine keeps you on their page longer, feeding you SEO spam also keeps you coming back to their page; feeding you SEO spam signals to potential advertisers that they won't be getting free traffic from the search engine so they might as well pay for the traffic via ads.

I'm not suggesting that it's a conspiracy to send you bad results, but it does seem likely that as long as they aren't losing traffic to competitors, it might not be something that becomes a priority.

Re: Ask HN: Why do search engines not let you blacklist spam domains?

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post #56

Because Google and Bing (therefore Duck) are increasingly answer engines, keeping you on their page, supporting the SEO ecosystem and most importantly their ad revenues and network customers. We and the other few independent search engines have not made enough dent on the market to suffer SEO spam. We'll have a way to deal with it (watch this space). Right now you'll certainly get results "off the beaten path" and wi…

Not only are they becoming answer engines, in Google's case there's a decent chance that they're making money off the spammy pages. If the top results are "SEO stuffed spam websites", they're probably also loaded with ads. If they're loaded with ads, there's a good chance that they're using Google's ads. If the top results are "SEO stuffed spam websites", there's a good chance they're chock-full of affiliate links. I…

> If the top results are "SEO stuffed spam websites", they're probably also loaded with ads. If they're loaded with ads, there's a good chance that they're using Google's ads.

Bingo. If you can't get clicks on AdWords get them on AdSense.

Re: Ask HN: Why do search engines not let you blacklist spam domains?

#59
post #45

I wish I could do this to tell DDG that I don't want to see any amazon.com products in my listing. I fell out with Amazon years ago and have been shopping independently since, but they have a stronghold over search engines with their out-of-stock listings.

Try the uBlacklist plugin mentioned in other comments.

Re: Ask HN: Why do search engines not let you blacklist spam domains?

#60
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which means you can never use it in an incognito session without logging in

An incognito session provides privacy against other people who have casual access to your computer. It provides no extra security or privacy in the context of search providers.

Disagree. When the FBI comes to them asking for a list of everyone who's done a search for "pipe bomb", your anonymity would have been welcome.
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