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Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Ok, let's cut the crap. Is Kaspersky a dirtbag or not? I suspect not, but it is an unfortunate accident he was born in and runs his company from Russia, the government of which is a dirtbag, so, correct me if I am wrong, Kaspersky must be a dirtbag by association, but especially for discovering Stuxnet. Believable, but I think the real reasons Kaspersky is persona non grata is due to having discovered Stuxnet, and Ka…

When was Kasepersky ever considered a dirtbag? That company has written a lot of technically in-depth security reports over various threats for a long time.

AFAIK it's a (relatively) honest business, though sadly the target of American russophobia

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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> Telegram vs Whatsapp in terms of security. The 3-letter US agencies do not have direct access to Telegram's servers, they do have when it comes to Whatsapp (or to any other US-based company). The same goes if you're a Russian doing anti-government stuff in, well, Russia, it's better to put your fate in Whatsapp's (and Meta's) hands, presumably the US agencies won't come after you for being against the Russian gover…

> The 3-letter US agencies do not have direct access to Telegram's servers What makes you think so?

Snowden, for a thing.

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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> Telegram vs Whatsapp in terms of security. The 3-letter US agencies do not have direct access to Telegram's servers, they do have when it comes to Whatsapp (or to any other US-based company). The same goes if you're a Russian doing anti-government stuff in, well, Russia, it's better to put your fate in Whatsapp's (and Meta's) hands, presumably the US agencies won't come after you for being against the Russian gover…

I agree with your logic, though a paranoid person might point out that they don't need access to telegram's servers; access to the app store or to automatic OS updates would be enough.

Yeah, me being a backend guy didn’t think of the client side of things.

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Is there any point in using antivirus these days anyway? I'm open to being wrong here, but I'm under the impression that antivirus exists only to tick boxes in outdated security compliance checklists. How big of a threat are viruses compared to, say, rogue antivirus products themselves?

I'm wondering this too since Windows has built-in antivirus now. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/comprehensive-securi...

Windows has had "Microsoft Security Essentials" built-in for longer than I can remember (10+ years?). It's not a terrible thing and keeps out of your way and doesn't seem to bog your machine down. Unlike the steaming pile of crap that my work computer runs (EndPoint) that consumes 60-80% CPU when doing its weekly full scan for over an hour right in the middle of the working day.

MSE is really all I've used since binning AVG which turned into bloatware.

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Plenty of legit potential concerns.. Russian govt could "nationalize" Kaspersky at any moment and push rogue updates.

Shouldnt i have the same concerns with software from the US? You dont really have to nationalize to force devs to push malicious code (looking at you Australia)

As a US citizen you still have some semblance of rights under the constitution that dictate what the government can do.

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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> The 3-letter US agencies do not have direct access to Telegram's servers What makes you think so?

Snowden, for a thing.

What about Snowden? How he would prevent US 3-letter agencies from having access to servers located in the US or in London?

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of legit potential concerns.. Russian govt could "nationalize" Kaspersky at any moment and push rogue updates.

Shouldnt i have the same concerns with software from the US? You dont really have to nationalize to force devs to push malicious code (looking at you Australia)

Depends on the country. Unlike Russia, the government in the USA is not all powerful.

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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I spent Sunday researching alternatives, then uninstalling KIS and trying to install BitDefender. From this I conclude that the current state of AV/Security apps is dismal. Researching alternatives is difficult, it falls directly into the cesspool that is web product recommendation in 2022. Trying to weed out the garbage articles, I find a handful of apps that are consistently rated that the top. I discarded the reco…

I think your last sentence is what Putin counts on, that the West won’t risk “hurting the business environment” to respond to his military campaign. I think one of the flaws of Western culture is how much business efficiency is put on a pedestal above all other priorities. Because of that type of mindset, the West can’t even manufacture simple cloth or paper masks during a healthcare crisis (as an example).

Devils advocate: that efficiency is one important reason why we're rich enough to be able to afford so much else. Like, CO2 emissions are best controlled by societies who are able to shoulder the greater expense of avoiding coal and such. If we can't count on these efficiencies, we're going to lose a huge amount of positives.

This sounds to me kind of like the fallacy of "if it saves even one life, it's worth it". That's of course ridiculous, because saving that life costs so much that we'll be unable to save countless other lives. In reality, the balancing of costs and benefits is much more subtle and complex.

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Ok, let's cut the crap. Is Kaspersky a dirtbag or not? I suspect not, but it is an unfortunate accident he was born in and runs his company from Russia, the government of which is a dirtbag, so, correct me if I am wrong, Kaspersky must be a dirtbag by association, but especially for discovering Stuxnet. Believable, but I think the real reasons Kaspersky is persona non grata is due to having discovered Stuxnet, and Ka…

When was Kasepersky ever considered a dirtbag? That company has written a lot of technically in-depth security reports over various threats for a long time. AFAIK it's a (relatively) honest business, though sadly the target of American russophobia

Unsure of reason for downvotes, but this was my observation as well, and my experience is that Kaspersky Labs scanning software successfully sanitizes its targets and does so without giving the uncanny feeling of wasting one's time.

Putin and friends are moronic for bullying and harassing and mugging Ukraine. But if I were him, I would definitely declare apple pie a security threat in response.

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