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Maybe you should do less 'work'

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Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'

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That's not how most jobs work, you get paid a salary, some people still work 60hr weeks and do not get paid more than their peers.

I refer you to my GP comment, where this is covered.

I disagree that earning more and working more are usually related. It can be related, but I don't think it's the norm. I think the norm is working more than you're getting paid for, and that pay not differing from those who are working less than you. Just look at people wringing themselves out in the hospitality and services industries, they're not getting paid more than everyone else.

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For me, I think it was related to conflating my value as am employee to being able to efficiently and effectively complete tasks to a high standard in a short amount of time. It felt like if I wasn't producing enough tangible results fast enough, I wasn't doing a "good enough job". It didn't really matter if it was a day/week/month where I was absolutely crushing it, or a time period where I was having a hard time fo…

This is very relatable to me. Since you’re using the past tense, would you be happy to share what helped you get out of that mindset?

Still working on it! I'd say the biggie was finding myself at a not-quite-FAANG-tier SV company where suddenly I'm surrounded by people who are all amazing. Where you have to prove your accomplishments to get promoted rather than just being handed promotions because you're "good at your job". Some mentorship. Some reading. Being encouraged to look farther down the road (which implies it's okay to not 'get things done' between standups). Honestly, lots of self-reflection and looking around. FWIW I'd say I have about 25 years in the industry, so, it didn't come to me quickly or early.

Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'

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Well i'm not talking hours, to be clear. Just some idea that we're all equal. Ie, if a hypothetical society depends on addicts working more than "lazy people" (in the parents words) then it feels to me we're set up for failure.

If you're after parasites, lazy software developers aren't the low hanging fruit. People who pull in multiple thousands a month plus from dividends, bonds, rental and stock portfolios are where the real fat is. Weirdly American culture has twisted these people into paragons of success while the people who do all the really tough and necessary work are paid poor wages, made to feel like shit about it at the same time…

I'm not after parasites.

I'm after not building our ideal utopia of work-life balance on the backs of others who, for whatever reason, don't get to have a work-life balance.

Seems a pretty slippery slope.

Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'

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You mean that if I started my own company then I would be “fucking” other companies, since we have a distinction between companies and people.

No. You'd be fucking your employees.

> company of one person

In other words, sole proprietor.

Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'

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There was a time during the first shut down when my company decided to reduce peoples hours and also reduce their salaries instead of laying off more employees. I end up working 20 hours a week (instead of my normal 35) with a reduced salary (and I was even able to collect partial California unemployment benefits for the remainder of the reduced hours under a special program called Workshare). Honestly it was amazing…

> Working less than 40 is nice but once you get down to 20 you have whole DAYS where you can do whatever you want I spent around 10 years working about 20 hours a week doing freelance work. It's good until it's not. Basically, yes you do have a lot of time and often times you can decide to be done at noon if you'd like. Taking entire days off is also possible unless it's expected to do something in a timely fashion s…

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Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'

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I refer you to my GP comment, where this is covered.

I disagree that earning more and working more are usually related. It can be related, but I don't think it's the norm. I think the norm is working more than you're getting paid for, and that pay not differing from those who are working less than you. Just look at people wringing themselves out in the hospitality and services industries, they're not getting paid more than everyone else.

The important part is earning more leads to paying more taxes. If you work the same job you'll earn more money while working 40hrs than working 20hrs. Where 40hrs is the standard, so in a general sense people working normal hours will pay more taxes than people working reduced hours.

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No. You'd be fucking your employees.

> company of one person In other words, sole proprietor.

More pedantism. Well if you sell parts of your company to other people, then it's a gang bang. Multiple people fucking the employees.

Let's just stop here. It's pointless.

Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'

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I don't see how changing the perspective of selling labor to ...selling labor really jumps the gap into psychosis.

Your children (they're human beings btw) are not extensions of your "inner company" is the point I was making. It's not rational to reduce children to that sort of algebra problem thinking. That's a huge red flag for someone's mental state. If you're not able to recognize that you can only solve human problems with human solutions that incorporate human needs and wants, then you start down the path of psychosis and a…

I wet the bed and played with fire as a child. I don't believe I've become a serial killer.

Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'

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> company of one person In other words, sole proprietor.

More pedantism. Well if you sell parts of your company to other people, then it's a gang bang. Multiple people fucking the employees. Let's just stop here. It's pointless.

It’s strange you believe any financial transaction including selling shares of a company is inherently a ripoff. A really weird way to view the economy, since price is something that has to be agreed to by all parties. Why would some investor have to buy my company? If they are doing that it’s because they view it as a good deal.

Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'

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Making the fundamental assumptions that everyone shares the same perspective on success in a career. Other world-views may take other positions. That doesn't make them wrong, or acting in bad faith.

Honestly, what do you think the OP is saying? Because I still don't think you've corrected your misconceptions.

I wasn't commenting on OP's comment. I was commenting on yours.

Shouldn't assume people are acting in bad faith simply because you disagree. If OP's advice is as sound as you think, then it should stand up to scrutiny, not shrink from it.

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