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Re: TikTok is scary good. It's digital crack

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More and more I fear this is our generation's 'smoking'

Both things use chemical reactions in the brain to create an addiction. The only difference is that smoking is regulated.

Literally anything you do creates a "chemical reaction in the brain". That's how brains work.

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Lolll read my message above again! Most of us get exactly zero Asian girls on our TikTok. You just basically told everyone that TikTok detected that you probably have a (maybe subconscious) attraction to Asian girls.

I don't get those young girls (I mean children as you seem to imply) - but replying to your message, I assume some did. Or rather you did, or else how would you know they are "very young girls"? It seems really off to accuse random people on the internet to be attracted to kids. What I was saying is that I was shown young women, but it still annoyed me. As for attraction - that is what TikTok's algorithm started out…

You confused usernames a bit.

Re: TikTok is scary good. It's digital crack

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Is it really that big of a deal if a teen sees boobies? And parents need to be the ones deciding if their kid gets to use an app or not by vetting it themselves. Parental controls are an assistive device, not a panacea. Calling self-employed sex workers "predatory and dangerous" isn't right, though.

Tricking horny teenagers into using their mommy's credit card is not predatory? Also I am sure I don't need to tell how porn sets a whole set of unrealistic expectations about sex and intimacy, especially since a young age.

Wait, so you think that sex workers shouldn’t be allowed to use TikTok, because you can’t trust your teenager not to defraud you?

That’s a you problem, not the woman in the bikini’s.

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They continue to work on this project despite knowing it is fraudulent, which makes them complicit. Besides, I don't see that they're doing solid work. It would be solid work if they ditched pure vision and moved to a system that works. Instead they are putting in heroic efforts on a dead-end technology. That is impressive in the same way that getting Doom running on a TI-84 would be impressive.

I don't know, it depends on what your goal is. If you want to emulate human driving, then pure vision is a viable way to go. After all, humans drive also using pure vision. But your car has to drive a lot more cautious than with more sensors, like lidar. Can't be 100% sure this white blob is not a truck? Then you have to slow down. With lidar, you can be a bit more robust, but you still need vision to identify object…

> pure vision

Not really. Why are you blatantly drinking that marketing BS cool aid coming from a wack twittering ceo? That so called "pure vision" is backed by our brains trained over decades. This is exactly why you have to be 18+ to be able to drive without any supervision.

Re: TikTok is scary good. It's digital crack

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Important reminder: don’t talk too much publicly about your (wife’s) TikTok feed, because it says more about you than you’d think. I’ve seen so many people complain that “tiktok keeps showing them young girls dancing” lol.

TikTok didn't work for me because of the young dancing girls. Yes, I clicked "like" on some of them, because they ARE cute and put in the effort. Doesn't mean I want to see young dancing girls all the time. TikTok showed me stuff and since I liked it, I clicked like. So TikTok shows me more of the same stuff, and not the other stuff which I might also like. So I guess you have to be super disciplined to get a nice Ti…

Yeah that's a problem with all of these things. They scrape SO much data, they seem to do SO many nefarious things... and still, if I ever look up a dishwasher (a once every half a decade purchase), amazon and google will forever assume I'm HUGELY into dishwashers. It seems their fancy profiling algorithm is "last in, first out".

Same with youtube - I want to be able to occasionally watch something without it assuming I want that ALL the time, to exclusion of everything else. Yes, I checked out a video on how to change the filter on my laundry machine; yes I needed to fix my snow blower. These things are not my life now!

Basically, I'm stunned how unsophisticated and unhelpful these algorithms are to me as a consumer, though I suppose they are effective to company who wants to drive "Engagement" without caring any further than that.

P.S. And now that I have kids, oh boy are these systems ever confused :D. If I stop to show my kid something on my phone, that's all I'll see for next 3 weeks.

Re: TikTok is scary good. It's digital crack

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>I subscribe to a bunch of email newsletters and RSS feeds, check Reddit and Twitter daily, and check HackerNews morning and night, and I have no problem finding interesting content every time I open these things (Twitter being least interesting to me out of this list). I think we have the same "problem": "content" doesn't engage us, "discussion" does. It's not so much about the exact topic as much as the ability to…

This is 100% me. If I can't mainline a bunch of people's perspectives within minutes, I'm not interested. Video is waaayyy too slow. Granted, I also have an exception: I watch YouTube regularly, but I have to be doing something with my hands at the same time. And it's not an attention span thing — I read books. It's about the density of information and the speed with which I can traverse it. I can read as fast as I t…

You might be aware, but it's possible to watch YouTube videos at faster speeds by entering certain simple JavaScript snippets into the browser's console. Just in case it helps.

Re: TikTok is scary good. It's digital crack

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I am having difficulty finding TikTok's addictiveness. My job depends on understanding consumer apps, so in the past 1.5 years, I've been trying TikTok anew every 3 months, each day at least trying to spend 10 minutes on it no matter how uninteresting I find the content to be, but end up giving up after 3 to 7 days each time I try. I swipe quickly past uninteresting content, stay on mildly interesting ones, and make…

Same feeling - I consume a ton online and keep trying tiktok but I'm consistently bored - just feels like the pop music equivalent of everything else.

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I find it hard to believe that this has to do with the superiority of TikTok's ranking algorithm, and everything to do with the fact that its more popular with younger people.

On the content side, they must have some kind of digital crack making young women want to post thirst traps and live feeds. I don't know what combination of attention and gifts makes a person do that, but Facebook sure doesn't have it.

Is a "thirst trap" some kind of innovation specific to Tik Tok? How are they inducing their providers to post this innovatively addictive type of content?

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I always wonder what Bytedance is doing differently compared with other social recommendation tools (aka why does no one rave about Twitter's suggested follows). My sneaking suspicion is product management designed a product that is literally perfect for a recommendation engine.

Other platforms only look for similar content to what you've already seen. They don't take novelty into account. If you like one picture of a dog on Instagram it'll just show you more dogs and you get bored. Watch a few YouTube videos about one topic and the algorithm gets fixated on it. YouTube is so bad now that if you use it to listen to music the autoplay gets into an infinite loop of songs that sound near identi…

I've been a long-term subscriber to Google Play Music, now YouTube Music, and the change introduced and reinforced what you say. Each time I open the app it's to meet the same recommendations and automatic playlists; barely anything new. About time I got serious about transferring to Spotify.

Re: TikTok is scary good. It's digital crack

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I mean why would you even discuss this openly outside of a scathing criticism that TikTok must be corrupting the young minds of children if the algorithm is starting to pollute your (or your wife’s) feed with young kids emulating highly sexualized dance routines, without you ever training it to do that..

The thing is that you DO train it to do that. Not everyone’s feed is like that. It just depends on what TikTok infers from your usage. So in a way, saying that TikTok is outrageous is a bit hypocritical: it shows what you seem to like, and surely you calling it outrageous can only be a posture.

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