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Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else lie on the internet?

#71
No. I don't lie online or IRL. The world has enough dishonesty, and I don't feel the need to partake or receive interaction online. I'll occasionally ask a question or answer one, but it's more of an idle interest.

I generally think that most people behave online in a manner they may not do IRL. I don't know if that's a net positive or negative thing overall.

I guess there are lies which aren't harmful (white lies?) and lies which are. Telling the difference isn't always easy. Sometimes the truth can be harmful as well, however at least the truth is real rather than fabricated.

Don't know where I'm going with this. Interesting question.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else lie on the internet?

#72

> Over the years I've found writing on HackerNews, Reddit and other online sites has given me an outlet to get creative and engage with folks in a way that will shift discourse towards something I'm more interested in. Have you tried looking for communities for creative writing? There are places (including reddit) that post/accept writing prompts which spawn some discussion. You can do what you do, write fiction, get…

Sounds like telling someone how a magic trick works before you perform it.

More like "I'm going to trick you now". You don't even have to reveal which part.

Or just go so far people know it's not truth. For example this is a masterpiece: https://twitter.com/pookleblinky/status/1275679845431808001

But if you do the magic trick well, even revealing everything is a lot of fun. There are some magic shows like that.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else lie on the internet?

#73
> I began noticing I received more upvotes and engagement when I...

You might be caring too much about this. I enjoy positive validation as much as anyone else, but I value quality discussion more highly. Especially when it comes to questions of ethics and health, I will say something when I feel it is important and truly not care what the reaction is.

To answer your question, No - I do not outright lie. I will try to simplify anecdotes to make a point more strongly or concisely. But I strive to stick to what I know and to the spirit of truth, even if I do selectively edit stories to spin them to be more relevant to discussions. I know some people would put that in the category of lying, but I think of it more as an aspect of story telling.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else lie on the internet?

#74
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I think the more interesting question is: would less people be doing that, if it weren't incentivized through karma points? If yes, how big would the impact be?

Given my focus on points, probably less so. Although I think we need some signal to understand what content the community places value in.

I'm not arguing for removing karma points - just pointing out, that the way they work,they do (somewhat) incentivize such behavior.

Obviously we DO need a signal. Hackernews probably would not work (or at least not work as well), if there was no way to separate the wheat from the chaff. But whatever system is put in place, there will always be people trying to game the system for their own gain, hurting the system in the process.

Between the barriers/mitigations needed to keep the system from breaking entirely, and the amount of signal manipulation that can not be avoided - the whole thing will of course work not as well than it could if everyone were honest.

And that's without even considering what all the effort and expenses spent on those mitigations could have been used on otherwise.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else lie on the internet?

#75
Thanks for owning up to this. We all know the internet and HN are full of chancers, but it's still very helpful to see what crafty, well-written BS actually looks like.

And let's hope all this does not stop you from commenting here on topics you know about !

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else lie on the internet?

#76

> I live in South Africa in a gated community with 24/7 guard patrols and 12 ft high barbed wire fences. > I've never stepped foot in the continent of Africa Wow, you have a problem. And meanwhile, dang has rate-limited me when I try to only post things I am willing to say in person. Maybe LinkedIn (where everyone knows who everyone is) is the only place for honest discussion. HN clone with "sign up with LinkedIn" ex…

> Maybe LinkedIn (where everyone knows who everyone is) is the only place for honest discussion.

How honest do the too-good-to-be-true LinkedIN broetry stories look to you?

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else lie on the internet?

#77
Thank you for admitting to this. I won't judge you, you are human just like I am.

I don't want to take some kind of moral high ground here - however, I tend to skip topics I don't know about.

I've had my share of arguing with people online who, by my personal assertion, had no clue what they're talking about. To put it in context: developers who talk bad about PHP.

In the end I gave up doing so. I notice that if I'm perceived as a bad guy (i.e. I try to discredit you based on facts, I'll appear as bully and other people will get the noble instinct to defend the one being bullied). That gave me no credibility and all the credibility went to the other people.

Years later, I read stackoverflow.com questions and answers and I consistently run into absolute falsities related to PHP. I just don't have the energy to try to convince someone what's factually true and what's factually false, having been on the receiving end of discussions.

I used to care about correct information or how to give people means to try to assert if something sounds plausible or not, but at this point - I've no inclination to do so, my energy's gone and I don't even see what the gain is if I waste my precious energy to forcibly improve someone's understanding of the world.

I understand what your motives were, it was refreshing to read what you wrote. I repeat - I don't judge you as evil or bad, but it took some guts to admit to this. I salute you because of that!

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else lie on the internet?

#78
I've done somewhat similar in political discussions, just state things as facts which I suspected to be correct but had absolutely no certainty they were correct. Also known as "talking out of my ass". The idea being that somebody would correct me if I was wrong. So basically leveraging people's urge to be right on the Internet to get free & lazy schooling, and feeling halfway guilty about it.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else lie on the internet?

#79

Thanks for pissing in the pool I guess.

Urine is disgusting but mostly inert and mostly harmless. It feels more like shitting in the water-supply.

I think it's a good analogy. I try not to swallow the pool water, so to speak. The examples given by the OP are fairly harmless but distasteful.
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