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Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else lie on the internet?

#53
Not like you do.

I express opinions, and normally pre-fix them with caveats like "I would expect" or "I feel like" etc... that first example is just an outright fabrication. a bald faced lie.

Why did you get through the thought process, and typing it all out and still think that clicking SEND was a worthy and justified action?

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else lie on the internet?

#54

Some people in comments are saying you are troll for doing this. I do not understand how this makes you a troll. When you post these comments are you willing to accept defeat when you are wrong? If your answer is yes, you are not a troll. Commenting on something you have no idea about is not bad per se. In fact, it brings a perspective of an outsider in the discussion.

Posting under false pretences in order to provoke responses was the original meaning of internet forum trolling, though it rapidly mutated to just mean being a dick on the internet. Neither definition has anything to do with whether you eventually admit you're wrong.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else lie on the internet?

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I regularly lie I take that to include, lying regularly on HN. You act like it's no big deal. How many people regularly lie on here, do you think? Sure, you are asking about it now, I guess that's good. I would guess, vanishingly few, besides maybe the lunatic/troll fringe who get banned. I can't imagine lying on here or any other internet forum, or a real life forum, and it's disturbing to see the way you convince…

Those who readily believe what they are told are easily taken advantage of. While we are on the topic of epistemic integrity, do you not consider it harmful to make a judgment of psychopathy "from the little I know about you," based on a few UTF-8 characters sent over the web? Had you any actual knowledge of what it is you speak of, you would have known that: The potential for harm is considerable if the PCL-R is use…

Your comment, seems to me, is almost entirely composed of vague and ominous phrases, errors, insults, false assumptions that I don't consider worth responding to in any detail. Your intent was seemingly mostly to insult and enrage. If you want useful exchanges on HN in future, with me at least, I suggest not writing like that.

p.s. I notice that your page on HN says only "All comments are a work of fiction.", and one of your most recent comments starts "My favorite tactic is to intentionally write down overly constrained or even "obviously" wrong tickets or issues or what have you, to provoke a disagreement".

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else lie on the internet?

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Have you ever thought that you might be making the internet a worse place and negatively impacting the people interact with? Do you care?

Apart from the shitty first link which happened almost 10 years ago and I still regret/think about - I don't think I am making it a worse place. There's a lot of incorrect and biased narratives all over the internet where user-submitted content is allowed. Does it make it any worse than any other user-submitted content? I don't think so. Do I care? Kind of, that's why I posted this.

"other people do it too"

Yes, they do. Other people also steal, rape, commit murder, war, genocide, so in general you can justify allmost anything with that excuse - but you could never hope to increase the standard, only lower it, by doing the same.

In other words, wouldn't you prefer a world, where you could just trust people, even online?

Spend less energy fact checking everything? Fact checking the fact checking?

We live already in a fake, photoshoped world. Where the truth is burried in garbage, clickbait and make up.

The consequence is, we spend so much energy debating about whether some crisis is real, like climate change or covid, instead of actually doing something about it.

So it is up to you, if you want to raise the bar, or lower it. You realized yourself, that the experts replys to your posts often get burried, because you were better with the words (and said what the mob wanted to hear). This is what I am talking about. Because those experts have limited energy. At some point they just give up and leave the garbage be. At some point, there will be only garbage left.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else lie on the internet?

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post #4
post #2

Have you ever thought that you might be making the internet a worse place and negatively impacting the people interact with? Do you care?

Apart from the shitty first link which happened almost 10 years ago and I still regret/think about - I don't think I am making it a worse place. There's a lot of incorrect and biased narratives all over the internet where user-submitted content is allowed. Does it make it any worse than any other user-submitted content? I don't think so. Do I care? Kind of, that's why I posted this.

> There's a lot of incorrect and biased narratives all over the internet where user-submitted content is allowed.

Imagine for a second it comes from people like you. Can you see why folks would feel you are the problem?

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else lie on the internet?

#60

Some people in comments are saying you are troll for doing this. I do not understand how this makes you a troll. When you post these comments are you willing to accept defeat when you are wrong? If your answer is yes, you are not a troll. Commenting on something you have no idea about is not bad per se. In fact, it brings a perspective of an outsider in the discussion.

Yes. If I can I’ll edit the parent.
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