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Re: No news is good news

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post #60

“If you don’t read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed.” Which is a hard problem. Personally though, I do a quick skim of the news each morning just so that I know we haven't nuked each other to death or that a new pandemic-like world event hasn't happened. I enjoy Reuters, Associated Press, and a local news feed for my area. Sumi.news[0] is great too if you want to es…

Ironically, though not surprisingly, that Mark Twain quote appears to be apocryphal: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2016/12/03/misinformed/

Most of them are.

Re: No news is good news

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post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the economist, though it might have been mentioned on HN

You don’t consider HN as daily changing news?

Read my other comments in this thread about HN, but I mainly do a title skim, and a topic that’s an outlier but appears on the front page might cause me to look. Also I do comment and follow up.

Re: No news is good news

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post #36

I have been a very strong adherent of this philosophy for over 30 years. There’s an adage, “there’s nothing as worthless as yesterday’s news”. Which led me to wonder, “was it even worth knowing yesterday?” I realized the solution was a low pass filter. I first switched to a seven-page newspaper (CSM) delivered through the mail. I realised the editors had to figure out whether it would still be interesting by the time…

What Ukraine situation? :)

It was just a bad joke! :'(

...maybe it was that bad and it deserves all the downvotes, but given the context of the previous comment, I didn't think it was so awful...

Re: No news is good news

#114
If I insisted reading history was damaging, I suspect many people would object. The news is just history playing out; a daily dose of non-fiction with my coffee.

There are, of course, a lot of terrible news sources. Many of which seem more aimed at creating outrage than anything else. Consumption of those may indeed be an issue.

Re: No news is good news

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post #102

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> I do find it interesting that I have yet to have anyone bring up the Ukraine situation. Speaking of "weekly" discussions, the Ukraine situation has been brought up in my weekly Church prayers since it started. Generally speaking, if it a current event that the Priests make 2 or 3 "intentions" for (in the Catholic mass, the prayers that occur after the Homily but before the preparations), its an incredible event. In…

I am greatly in support of Ukraine and the destruction of the invaders, but > the suffering and pains of that country are the greatest seen in many decades Could this really be true?

> Could this really be true?

The shear amount of large-scale artillery barrages going on is large enough to be picked up by NASA's FIRMS satellite. And there seems to be many Twitter threads where people collect information from that FIRMS / Forest Fire satellite to document the artillery strikes in realtime.

Not even in the earlier wars of Russian aggression (Second Chechen War or Georgia War) seem to have this level of artillery.

That being said: a fair amount of it is Ukrainians counter-artillery striking Russians and fighting back (which Chechnya and Georgia were largely unable to do effectively). So perhaps your point is that Ukraine isn't a one-sided massacre and has mounted at least some effective means of defense?

Ukraine would be suffering more if Russia managed to get within Artillery Strike of Kyiv for example, but the Ukrainian forces have stalled out that advance... largely keeping Kyiv safe from destruction (well... to a greater degree than we've seen so far anyway). Mariupol on the other hand isn't as lucky, and widespread artillery is clearly being used upon that city.

With humanitarian corridors closed, its clear that Mariupol is being sieged, Leningrad style, and there's widespread reports of starvation to death. There's also reports of many civilians being transferred to Russian camps. Then there are also the famous "hospital strikes" and "theater strikes" have have killed hundreds alone.

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But I guess you're right. Things could be worse for some other cities / areas who were unable to fight back against their oppressors. Most of the genocide events of the past decades are pretty horrible as well.

But there needs to be something to be said about the huge, large-scale use of artillery that really hasn't been seen since WW2-era mass combat.

Re: No news is good news

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I am greatly in support of Ukraine and the destruction of the invaders, but > the suffering and pains of that country are the greatest seen in many decades Could this really be true?

Seems unlikely given wars that are going on now, like Yemen, or resource wars like Congo, or genocide like Burma, Rwanda, Cambodia… Humans’ abilities to make others suffer continually amazes and horrifies me.

This gets at what I was talking about. I think people in other regions have also suffered greatly. This is not to detract from the suffering of the Ukrainians, but is just to clarify the facts.

Re: No news is good news

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I enjoyed reading this and I largely agree with the sentiment. However I don't believe in binaries ... reality implies nuance. Sure, if you look at the vast majority of commercial news outlets, the firehose, it's easy to make broad generalisations around worth, trust, etc. But there exist many news sources that don't fall neatly into this category. News may be piecemeal, but the outcome of taking on the tidbits, these seemingly disparate but (for many of us) carefully collected and ultimately connected pieces of information, shouldn't be underestimated. Having people -- not all, but some -- informed beyond your local neighbourhood, beyond a local sphere of knowledge, is critical in making informed decisions about your own life and your contribution for further generations. If this is your way. Without it we're just leaves in the wind of greed and corruption.

Re: No news is good news

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post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So how exactly did you find out about the war and when?

Probably the economist, though it might have been mentioned on HN

I heard about about the war build up in the Economist weeks/months before it hit most Australian news media (ABC/SMH).

Re: No news is good news

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post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I do find it interesting that I have yet to have anyone bring up the Ukraine situation. Speaking of "weekly" discussions, the Ukraine situation has been brought up in my weekly Church prayers since it started. Generally speaking, if it a current event that the Priests make 2 or 3 "intentions" for (in the Catholic mass, the prayers that occur after the Homily but before the preparations), its an incredible event. In…

I am greatly in support of Ukraine and the destruction of the invaders, but > the suffering and pains of that country are the greatest seen in many decades Could this really be true?

Countries don't suffer or experience pain, people (and other living things) do.

The notion that individual suffering can be added up for some total of inhumanity is somewhat dubious, as are comparisons of individual deaths: is it the number of casualties that matters, does it suffering experienced before death factor in, and does it make a difference if it was caused intentionally and without good cause, accidentally, naturally, etc.?

But yeah, it's rather gruesome. Syria is very similar, for some reason.

Re: No news is good news

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The sum of "news" that you consume is close to the totally of the information you base your decisions at the ballot box on. In a world without news, democracy cannot function, because the link between action and reaction (such as reelection) is lost. It's like an AC being told the temperature you want, but without access to the feed of temperature measurements.
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