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Re: Marginalia Search: 1 Year

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Post by nonrandomstring » Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 9:03 AM UTC

up_o wrote: post #15

nonrandomstring wrote: post #7

It's one of my smorgasbord search engines run from a script (which collectively do so much better than Google or any of the legacy "big-tech" engines) Why it matters One of the great American philosophical orators, Rick Roderick (a Texan cowboy philosopher and academic twin of Bill Hicks), spoke about the importance of "the margins": Rick notices that in history certain people do not get a voice; Women. The Poor. Old…

I'd be very interested in checking out your SE script.

There's two I use. Nothing fancy like collecting and sorting results from multiple engines. Just a bash sequence.

alias se1="se1.com" alias se2="se2.com" www-browser se1 $1; www-browser se2 $1 ...

Arrange them in roughly the order best to worse. If a result isn't satisfactory I hit q (exit for my choice of browser) and it falls through to the next search engine.

The other is surf-raw (actually written by everyone's favourite political prisoner, Mr. Assange) You can change the "elvi" to be what you want, but imho it doesn't really offer much extra because you still need to remember the aliases you gave each search engine. A sequence in an alias file hides that from you so I just type

$ search "keywords about thing"

Of course it falls over when different search engines parse the urlstring in different ways.

Re: Marginalia Search: 1 Year

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Post by nonrandomstring » Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 9:08 AM UTC

LichenStone wrote: post #12

nonrandomstring wrote: post #7

It's one of my smorgasbord search engines run from a script (which collectively do so much better than Google or any of the legacy "big-tech" engines) Why it matters One of the great American philosophical orators, Rick Roderick (a Texan cowboy philosopher and academic twin of Bill Hicks), spoke about the importance of "the margins": Rick notices that in history certain people do not get a voice; Women. The Poor. Old…

May I ask what other search engines you use? I'm trying to find good alternatives to the usual right now.

#alias search-1='w3m https://duckduckgo.com' alias search-1="torw3m -no-proxy duckduckgogg42xjoc72x3sjasowoarfbgcmvfimaftt6twagswzczad.onion/" alias search-4='www https://search.marginalia.nu/' alias search-2='www https://infotiger.com/' alias search-3='www https://www.qwant.com/' alias search-5='www https://rightdao.com/' alias search-6='www https://www.mojeek.com/'

Re: Marginalia Search: 1 Year

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Post by h0h0h0h0111 » Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 9:12 AM UTC

hakko wrote: post #13

Marginalia is a breath of fresh air in an internet that seems to be...disappearing. I actually like it's philosophy of not doing "useful" search queries - it's great just to see what's lost behind Google's wall of Reddit/Wikipedia/SEO Blogspam results. Funnily, after playing with it for a bit my gripe is that there isn't a way to exclude results from vanity domain names which are consistently the lowest quality resul…

>I actually like it's philosophy of not doing "useful" search queries

Generalising this a little, it sometimes feels like the world has become all about optimisation and productivity, and the beauty of uselessness has gone missing. Many of my favourite posts/projects on HN are from people who have set out to build something utterly useless in the name of fun - and sometimes they turn out to be useful after all!

Re: Marginalia Search: 1 Year

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Post by marginalia_nu » Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 9:29 AM UTC

jhoechtl wrote: post #20

Apparently, if you omit all the we-got-you-and-lock-you-in-your-ad-induced-information-bubble, you can get quite far with even modest hardware: https://memex.marginalia.nu/projects/gemini-server.gmi > I put the machine together mostly for a search engine, Because I didn't want an actual rack making noise and heat in my living room, the server is made out of consumer hardware: > Ryzen 9 3900X > 128 Gb RAM > 4x4 Gb Iro…

Some of that is a bit stale, I'm not using ZFS anymore because it eats too much memory, and the SQL database containing metadata is on an Optane 900P, but it's still largely the same machine.

But yeah, turns out, if you mind what you are doing when you write your software, modern consumer hardware can be pretty good.

I also think a lot of the architecture paradigms that are common today have a very high constant cost, which may be the admittance fee for high scalability, but I don't have anything to scale up to anyway so my problem is how to do the most with fixed hardware.

If I had written this like a cloud application, there is just no way it would run on the same machine. I'd need ten times more hardware. I'd also not be anywhere near finished.

Data locality is slept on in terms of performance.

Re: Marginalia Search: 1 Year

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Post by nonrandomstring » Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 9:31 AM UTC

kakkan wrote: post #17

nonrandomstring wrote: post #7

It's one of my smorgasbord search engines run from a script (which collectively do so much better than Google or any of the legacy "big-tech" engines) Why it matters One of the great American philosophical orators, Rick Roderick (a Texan cowboy philosopher and academic twin of Bill Hicks), spoke about the importance of "the margins": Rick notices that in history certain people do not get a voice; Women. The Poor. Old…

Would you recommend more resources to learn about his work?

Roderick? There's a lot here [1] and the usual life summary here [2]. Sadly he passed away too soon and recordings of his lectures are a bit collectable.

[1] http://rickroderick.org/

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Roderick

Re: Marginalia Search: 1 Year

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Post by nonrandomstring » Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 9:56 AM UTC

drBonkers wrote: post #16

dez wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a neat way with words. I enjoyed reading this.

I'd like to second this and ask how you learned to write?

drBonkers I think most writers get there by reading a lot and we're recurrences of our influences. Content wise I've found mixing classics with modern, deep with superficial, serious with humour, is important. It balances things like a decent exercise regime.

Re: Marginalia Search: 1 Year

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Post by UncleMeat » Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 11:52 AM UTC

nonrandomstring wrote: post #7

It's one of my smorgasbord search engines run from a script (which collectively do so much better than Google or any of the legacy "big-tech" engines) Why it matters One of the great American philosophical orators, Rick Roderick (a Texan cowboy philosopher and academic twin of Bill Hicks), spoke about the importance of "the margins": Rick notices that in history certain people do not get a voice; Women. The Poor. Old…

While this is all true and all good, “marginalia” is a completely different word for a completely different thing. It refers to handwritten content in the margins of books.

Re: Marginalia Search: 1 Year

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Post by marginalia_nu » Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 12:20 PM UTC

UncleMeat wrote: post #27

nonrandomstring wrote: post #7

It's one of my smorgasbord search engines run from a script (which collectively do so much better than Google or any of the legacy "big-tech" engines) Why it matters One of the great American philosophical orators, Rick Roderick (a Texan cowboy philosopher and academic twin of Bill Hicks), spoke about the importance of "the margins": Rick notices that in history certain people do not get a voice; Women. The Poor. Old…

While this is all true and all good, “marginalia” is a completely different word for a completely different thing. It refers to handwritten content in the margins of books.

The word is a Latin adjective and just means marginal. It's most frequently used for marginal notes, but I don't see why you couldn't use it in other contexts as well.

Re: Marginalia Search: 1 Year

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Post by LichenStone » Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 1:06 PM UTC

nonrandomstring wrote: post #22

LichenStone wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

May I ask what other search engines you use? I'm trying to find good alternatives to the usual right now.

#alias search-1='w3m https://duckduckgo.com ' alias search-1="torw3m -no-proxy duckduckgogg42xjoc72x3sjasowoarfbgcmvfimaftt6twagswzczad.onion/" alias search-4='www https://search.marginalia.nu/ ' alias search-2='www https://infotiger.com/ ' alias search-3='www https://www.qwant.com/ ' alias search-5='www https://rightdao.com/ ' alias search-6='www https://www.mojeek.com/ '

Thanks! That's really useful.

Re: Marginalia Search: 1 Year

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Post by Seirdy » Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 9:54 PM UTC

LichenStone wrote: post #29

nonrandomstring wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

#alias search-1='w3m https://duckduckgo.com ' alias search-1="torw3m -no-proxy duckduckgogg42xjoc72x3sjasowoarfbgcmvfimaftt6twagswzczad.onion/" alias search-4='www https://search.marginalia.nu/ ' alias search-2='www https://infotiger.com/ ' alias search-3='www https://www.qwant.com/ ' alias search-5='www https://rightdao.com/ ' alias search-6='www https://www.mojeek.com/ '

Thanks! That's really useful.

A few more I found: https://seirdy.one/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-indexe...

I recommend Teclis, Wiby, Kagi's "non-commercial" lens (mostly powered by Teclis), and and Gnomit (old results only, helps against the recency bias) to add some serendipity to your searches.