A better way to rate films

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Post by bootload » Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 1:10 AM UTC

A better way to rate films
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Re: A better way to rate films

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Post by jonkelly » Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 2:09 AM UTC

I definitely liked the personality that came through the writing. "On the other end of the scale, I think Black Swan is a terrific film, but I’d sooner pull my nails out than watch it again." - well said and a good illustration of the value of the dual scale.

Re: A better way to rate films

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Post by phzbOx » Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 2:27 AM UTC

Interesting post even though I'd admit that I'm not a huge fan of "I'd watch it again". For instance, some movies are really hard (huge drama, etc.), or particularly long, or even have a huge punch at the end. These movies would have a "rewatchability" really poor.

One might also watch a very simple movie.. nothing extraordinary that you wouldn't necessarily watch again; that doesn't mean it's not a good movie to watch for the first time.

Personally, I think the best factor to "guess" if I would watch a movie would be to anonymously analyse a huge set of data and find people who like the same stuff as I do. So, he likes x,y,z (as I do) and hate a,b,c as I do, good.. we mostly like the same stuff. Now, he really enjoyed K; I'd probably also like it.

Re: A better way to rate films

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Post by phzbOx » Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 2:29 AM UTC

phzbOx wrote: post #3

Interesting post even though I'd admit that I'm not a huge fan of "I'd watch it again". For instance, some movies are really hard (huge drama, etc.), or particularly long, or even have a huge punch at the end. These movies would have a "rewatchability" really poor. One might also watch a very simple movie.. nothing extraordinary that you wouldn't necessarily watch again; that doesn't mean it's not a good movie to wat…

(Note: This is different than what Amazon does with the "People who bought this item also bought these items".)

Re: A better way to rate films

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 2:29 AM UTC

phzbOx wrote: post #4

phzbOx wrote: post #3

Interesting post even though I'd admit that I'm not a huge fan of "I'd watch it again". For instance, some movies are really hard (huge drama, etc.), or particularly long, or even have a huge punch at the end. These movies would have a "rewatchability" really poor. One might also watch a very simple movie.. nothing extraordinary that you wouldn't necessarily watch again; that doesn't mean it's not a good movie to wat…

(Note: This is different than what Amazon does with the "People who bought this item also bought these items".)

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Re: A better way to rate films

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Post by ph0rque » Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 2:31 AM UTC

One thing that movie ratings don't take into account, including this one, is: what am I in the mood for? I'd like to type into netflix, "I'm in the mood for James Bond meets Spirited Away", have it perhaps give me a few yes/no choices, and make recommendations based on that.

Re: A better way to rate films

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Post by seanalltogether » Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 2:35 AM UTC

I've thought about this problem a lot and I'm glad to see there is a site out there trying to tackle this problem. For me, I always thought about movies in terms of investment with 4 options, "I'd buy it", "I'd rent it", "I'd watch it for free", "I'd avoid it". I think dollars speak louder then opinions. The problem is that nowadays in the world of streaming video, this scale gets completely trashed as the friction to invest in a movie is lowered considerably.

I do like the idea of production value vs replay value, I remember when I saw Passion of the Christ I told a friend it was an amazing movie i never want to see again.

Re: A better way to rate films

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Post by westicle » Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 2:55 AM UTC

ph0rque wrote: post #6

One thing that movie ratings don't take into account, including this one, is: what am I in the mood for? I'd like to type into netflix, "I'm in the mood for James Bond meets Spirited Away", have it perhaps give me a few yes/no choices, and make recommendations based on that.

I can't imagine too many people who wouldn't like that system. If only there was some way to introduce this idea to some kind of tech start-up community.

Re: A better way to rate films

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Post by socratic » Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 2:58 AM UTC

I really want a good movie recommender system. (Which I suppose makes this a good idea to work on.) However, focusing on these sorts of issues seems like exactly the wrong way to go about it.

I understand that people overwhelmingly tend towards the extremes of rating scales. But who cares? There's so much noise anyway.

Here's what I want: (1) include (all) films and television series and (2) include top 1000 lists for as many niche categories as possible (foreign films about relationships, teen comedy, and so on).

I don't even care if it is personalized, because the personalization is always horrible. (I've tried Netflix, Jinni and others and they're all terrible.) Just having the average for the movie is actually amazingly accurate on many measures (within 10--20%).

Is there something like this? The closest I've gotten so far is finding a good IMDB user list or two.

Re: A better way to rate films

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Post by socratic » Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 3:02 AM UTC

ph0rque wrote: post #6

One thing that movie ratings don't take into account, including this one, is: what am I in the mood for? I'd like to type into netflix, "I'm in the mood for James Bond meets Spirited Away", have it perhaps give me a few yes/no choices, and make recommendations based on that.

This is the main thing Jinni claims to do.

Have you tried it?

http://www.jinni.com/