In my mind, "Use a standard, machine-readable CV to represent your skills and life's work" is practically saying, "Commodify yourself!"
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Manfred Awesomic CV: Open source machine and human compatible CV standard
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#22This looks like this project will benefit machines more by screening candidates out automatically before they've reached the human stage. So effectively candidates will be rejected before they have even applied.
Good company filter if you ask me.
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#23In my mind, "Use a standard, machine-readable CV to represent your skills and life's work" is practically saying, "Commodify yourself!"
Unfortunately, in today's job market, the first (seemingly only, sometimes) gate is what keywords are in your online resume/CV for the software to find, and hand to a human recruiter. And, in my experience, the human may not know much more than the grep-equivalent, since if they had those technical skills, they'd probably be doing that, not recruiting. So, yeah, making it machine readable will help. This does not rea…
Respectfully: I think this is the case if you yourself have commodity skills and don't know how to network. For folks who find themselves in this spot, the advice I've always given folks I mentor is to learn to do the networking thing and maybe pick up some stuff that's a little bit outside the norm but can be leveraged for multiplier effects in the job. (They exist! And they're usually pretty fun.)
Speaking for myself, I've never gotten a job through a process either initiated by a cold email from a recruiter or from filtering through an automatic process on the HR side of things, and I have a boatload of experience and I like to say I'm pretty good at The Technical Thing. I get jobs from talking to people, and I help folks get jobs (at Mux, hi, we're hiring!) through talking to people. I got an email yesterday from a new hire who came onboard because he saw a Who's Hiring post on HN, shot me an email, and I connected him with our recruiters 'cause he sounded like he'd be a good fit. No robots involved, except the SMTP ones. This happens pretty regularly and a lot of the candidates might be ones who'd look like a bad fit for a keyword filter.
There are jobs and there are people fit for jobs where keyword matching is a thing. There's also a monstrously large chunk of the industry where neither the job nor the ideal candidate can be expressed as such. So look at that, and then be that. And if you're finding walls, find the right person to talk to to help you get around those walls, because at places you want to be, people want more good folks to be there.
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#24In my mind, "Use a standard, machine-readable CV to represent your skills and life's work" is practically saying, "Commodify yourself!"
The term “Human resource” already does that for me…
“Do you have some resources for me?” “What kind?” “Human is fine, nice and flexible”
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#25The page says the structure is based on an internal format that was used for storing employee data. I can see value in a standard record format from that perspective, eg if employee bio and work history are being kept on file.
I agree with the other comments that this should not exist for job applications, and that asking for a job application in machine readable format is basically saying "we're not going to read this". I would never use a channel that asked me to apply this way.
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#26I spent five years of my life working on this problem, and even got involved with the standards-making process. First, there already is a standard for resumes and has been for 20 years. It's called HR Open Standards Candidate (it is the successor to the old HR-XML standard, which in turn was based on OASYS). There are also five or six other attempts at making a standard CV / Resume too. The problem with all of them i…
i just made up my own yaml format so i could easily create different versions of my resume for different job apps (generated through a static site generator, jekyll, in my case). i'm tempted to submit the yaml version rather than the visual version to make it easier for the machines to pass me on to the humans in the instances where i have to apply electronically. it has a bunch of points i comment out for a given job app to fit the compact visual format, but the machines can take all of it into account without issue, raising the potential hit rate.
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#27In my mind, "Use a standard, machine-readable CV to represent your skills and life's work" is practically saying, "Commodify yourself!"
The term “Human resource” already does that for me… “Do you have some resources for me?” “What kind?” “Human is fine, nice and flexible”
I agree with you that the phrase 'human resource' evokes feelings of commodification. The difference here, in my mind, is that the author of this format is asking people to commodify themselves.
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#28so how does this put more power in the hands of candidates?
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#29This will only benefit recruiting firms in order to automate processes such as the one behind this project, I don't see how this would be beneficial for anyone else.
exactly
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#30Honestly I'm deeply against "standard CV", the only who benefit form them are giants who trade humans as livestock. If I choose to propose myself for a position I want another human on the other side reading who I declare to be and my motivations, digging as needed because choosing someone for a job MUST BE a serious human business. For similar reasons I'm deeply against those who mass-send CVs to anyone: when one ne…
You see a "standard CV" as an oppression tool. I see it as a tool to give control over their data, back to the users.
Now you have to upload the same data to LinkedIn, Angels.co, Hired, and hundreds of other services. With an open standard, you could update your data just once.
We are not robots, we are humans who work to live, and we shouldn't have to build our CV every time we look for that work.