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Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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Post by scotty79 »

giantg2 wrote: post #103
scotty79 wrote: post #100

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Yes. Because finding 'sandy particles' in the body is common and expected to the point that nobody cares about them if you don't have any symptoms.

Again, source? I don't believe silica based dust is common to breath in at any measurable amount on a beach. If it's really common, then you'd have sources. The prior source was dealing with glass contamination of ampules. You can follow these comments back for context. Repeatedly stating that something is common, does not make it so.

Again, same source I already gave.

This source mentiones if something is smaller than some arbitraty limit there's no sense counting it because it's probably just sand not something that came from the glass ampule. Therefore small sand is common enough that it would skew their result to be something nonsensical.

You need to read between the lines because apparently nobody researched how much sand average person has in their bodies because it's not interesting.

Why don't you show me research supporing your claim that body doesn't contain sand particles in amounts at least comparable to amounts of microplastics detected?

Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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Post by tempuserdel11 »

milansm wrote: post #79
SpodGaju wrote: post #32

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I probably wasn’t clear enough. I don’t feel guilty because of my life style, I feel like I’m in a trap. What would happen with me and my family if power grid goes down for a week? What about a month? The point is, we can probably have best of both worlds if we accept lifestyle change (IMO simple life close to nature is an improvement, not degradation) where we enjoy the benefits of technology, but not being dependen…

THIS!!!

Trank you

Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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Post by giantg2 »

scotty79 wrote: post #111
giantg2 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, source? I don't believe silica based dust is common to breath in at any measurable amount on a beach. If it's really common, then you'd have sources. The prior source was dealing with glass contamination of ampules. You can follow these comments back for context. Repeatedly stating that something is common, does not make it so.

Again, same source I already gave. This source mentiones if something is smaller than some arbitraty limit there's no sense counting it because it's probably just sand not something that came from the glass ampule. Therefore small sand is common enough that it would skew their result to be something nonsensical. You need to read between the lines because apparently nobody researched how much sand average person has i…

"Why don't you show me research supporing your claim that body doesn't contain sand particles in amounts at least comparable to amounts of microplastics detected?"

Because that's not what is being discussed. What is being discussed is breathing in sand, that beach sand can cause silicosis, etc.

Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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Post by SpodGaju »

milansm wrote: post #79
SpodGaju wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

I probably wasn’t clear enough. I don’t feel guilty because of my life style, I feel like I’m in a trap. What would happen with me and my family if power grid goes down for a week? What about a month? The point is, we can probably have best of both worlds if we accept lifestyle change (IMO simple life close to nature is an improvement, not degradation) where we enjoy the benefits of technology, but not being dependen…

>I’d like to do that not because I feel responsible for climate change, inequality or whatever, but for personal security, longevity, and quality of life reasons.

Yes, the individual is not separate from society.

You cannot separate climate change from your "personal security, longevity, and quality of life". They all depend on the climate not changing.

And yes, you are in a trap. You are unable to escape your conditioning. You could live the way you want right now. It will be hard, but you can do it. Lead by example and all that....

Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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Post by scotty79 »

giantg2 wrote: post #113
scotty79 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, same source I already gave. This source mentiones if something is smaller than some arbitraty limit there's no sense counting it because it's probably just sand not something that came from the glass ampule. Therefore small sand is common enough that it would skew their result to be something nonsensical. You need to read between the lines because apparently nobody researched how much sand average person has i…

"Why don't you show me research supporing your claim that body doesn't contain sand particles in amounts at least comparable to amounts of microplastics detected?" Because that's not what is being discussed. What is being discussed is breathing in sand, that beach sand can cause silicosis, etc.

> What is being discussed is breathing in sand, that beach sand can cause silicosis, etc.

Who's telling that it can't?

My point was that amount of sand in your body that doesn't cause silicosis yet is not immesurable or undetectable.

You are fully expected to have some sand in your body all the time. Just at levels way too low to cause any symptoms.

And probably it's exactly the same with microplastics.

Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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Post by sokoloff »

SpodGaju wrote: post #86
DwnVoteHoneyPot wrote: post #82

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Gross profit isn't even a useful metric here. SpodGaju is just cherry picking a number that's high to make it sound outrageous. SpodGaju is ignoring all the infratructure (and related costs) needed for reliable electricity.

Gross profit is gross profit. It is not a number I am making up. They made 5% more profit then they did last year. Their gross profit, meaning money they have left after accounting for all expenses, was $18 billion for 2021. https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/DUK/duke-energy/gr... Duke Energy annual gross profit for 2021 was $18.137B, a 4.49% increase from 2020. https://wraltechwire.com/2022/02/10/duke-energy-…

> Their gross profit, meaning money they have left after accounting for all expenses, was $18 billion for 2021.

That’s not at all what gross profit is, nor is their GP for 2021 that high.

In rough terms: Gross profit is revenue minus cost of revenue. Operating income is gross profit minus operating expenses. Pretax profit is OI minus financing and other costs and is much closer to “after all expenses (except taxes)”.

Further, their financial statements show their gross profit for 2021 to be $12.1B with a taxable income of $3.8B. (Both the yahoo link above and WSJ agree: https://www.wsj.com/market-data/quotes/DUK/financials/annual... (For WSJ, take gross revenue and subtract COGS ex-D&A to get to GP))

Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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Post by drusenko »

scotty79 wrote: post #73
drusenko wrote: post #38

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This might be accurate today, but it ignores our ability to make technological progress to make our current activities low or no impact. Further, this line of thinking - that you need to sacrifice your lifestyle in order to save the planet - is IMO one of if not the major reason we haven’t made progress on addressing climate change to date. Plainly put, people tend to be short term selfish, even often at the expense…

I don't think we can wait on technological magic bullet to deus ex machina save us from disaster. Economy got us into this mess. Economy needs to get us out. Climate change would be already solved if somebody figured out how the richest could earn more money when the energy is more expensive rather than when it is cheaper. Billionaires would singlehandedly legislate all the necessary laws that would make energy as ex…

Agreed that we can’t wait. The large majority of the technology we need already exists, we just need to accelerate the adoption that would happen naturally.

A focus on this “punitive” side of things - that we need to pay for our transgressions through a dramatically reduced lifestyle - is just going to ensure that we drive straight off the cliff.

And yes, the economy is going to need to get us out of this. We need to make sure that the incentives are properly structured for the majority of the transformation to happen via the distributed market mechanisms vs being centrally planned.

Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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Post by drusenko »

giantg2 wrote: post #71
drusenko wrote: post #47

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Let’s not get defeatist and give up. Europe is implementing a carbon border adjustment, and the U.S. is discussing this as well. If implemented correctly this should reduce the financial incentive to offshore emissions and create one for other countries to reduce their own.

"and the U.S. is discussing this as well." I haven't heard that. Do you have a link?

I can’t find the original article I read but here is one recent one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/02/republica...

Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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Post by nargella »

burlesona wrote: post #41
nargella wrote: post #22

Toothpaste blows my mind. It’s literally plastic in some baking soda type substance. Extra whitening? Larger plastic.

Source? Wikipedia has pages on the various ingredients, which are a lot more complex than I realized, but I’m not seeing plastics… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothpaste

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cwN983PnJoA

Perhaps this is dated now according to other comments.

Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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Post by nargella »

Aurelius3 wrote: post #36
nargella wrote: post #22

Toothpaste blows my mind. It’s literally plastic in some baking soda type substance. Extra whitening? Larger plastic.

Source on this? I heard they banned microbeads in toothpaste, does this remove all plastics or is there more?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cwN983PnJoA

Maybe not true anymore.

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