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Re: TikTok is scary good. It's digital crack

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TikTok is the first piece of tech that makes me know I'm old, I can't imagine choosing to view any of this garbage at all. The format of short videos itself is so very cringe.

There’s nothing inherently wrong about short videos. Content isn’t inherently good because it’s longer or on a specific medium. Nobody is saying that only one type should exist.

Everything has its place.

Re: TikTok is scary good. It's digital crack

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I'm not sure how I got sucked into Tiktok but I was quickly hooked. There's something so refreshingly playful, authentic, and raw about so much Tiktok content compared to Instagram. Instagram (explore/discovery) is generally pretty people with pretty things in pretty places. That was fun for a while but it's just not that interesting after a while. I don't need to see more pretty pictures of women doing yoga. I don't…

> I legitimately laugh my ass off Same here. And then I read all the other comments on this post by people who don't get it, don't think it's funny, isn't getting "good" content, and I start to wonder if I'm lucky? Except, I haven't really liked or disliked anything on the app. I'm just scrolling, flipping away videos that I don't like, staying on videos I do. Sure, there's a lot of crap, but there are just so many d…

Because I trust hacker news (somewhat), I just installed tiktok for the first time.

15 minutes into it I felt it starting to suck time out of my life because the algorithm is repsecting my wishes and (unlike others) seems to recognize that people have more than one interest and that not interested means not interested.

I just removed it again for that very reason.

Re: TikTok is scary good. It's digital crack

#253

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Oh that’s interesting. An entire platforms that hinges on not trying to social-engineer its users, and being successful. I’ve also heard that TikTok wasn’t showing the same contents inside China than abroad. It would be flattering the dopamine receptors worldwide, while flattering nationalist values inside China. Is it true? It could easily be that the engine is personalized enough that it does behave a bit different…

I've heard that too, but I've never been able to verify it. If you find any sources on it, please pass them along.

I first heard about this on JRE and subsequent articles based on JRE.

However, China did pass "Recommendation Algorithm Regulations"[0]. Not sure if enforced.

ByteDance does operate a separate Chinese app specifically for kids[1], which is enforcing the recent anti-gaming regulation (no nighttime access, 40 minutes per day only).

The app also enforces that all kids use their real name, and they stated the following about content[2]:

  In the youth mode, we have also prepared wonderful content for you, such as novel and interesting science experiments, exhibitions in museums and galleries, beautiful scenery all over the country, historical knowledge explanations, etc. I hope these contents can arouse children's interest in a certain field, and they will learn and gain something while watching the video.

[0]: https://www.china-briefing.com/news/china-passes-sweeping-re...

[1]: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-20/bytedance...

[2]: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/zp43DhzwanDApoPCIgCvJQ

Re: TikTok is scary good. It's digital crack

#254

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It'll learn. Just pulled up my tiktok account and what I got was: - A dude from Bermuda making food from the early 1900s: @bdylanhollis - A delivery guy who meets new dogs on his routes and befriends them: @christhedogguy - A woman who scratches her ass... donkey: @fortheloveofass - A dude who owns a septic company telling about his day: @wellandsepticlife - Random animal facts: @mndiaye_97 - Typesetting and printing…

You ever get the CCP validating content like a guy teaching Mandarin in a fun way?

So teaching Mandarin is validating the CCP? God forbid you take a tiny step outside your own culture and pick up the basics of a different language.

Re: TikTok is scary good. It's digital crack

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Maybe, but TikTok is an order of magnitude above other social media apps when it comes to learning what you like. It’s both scary and extremely impressive. Twitter on the other hand seems to promote monoculture, and tends to push you towards what everyone else likes. It essentially pushes whatever is popular. Some of the most interesting content and users on Twitter are shadow banned, either intentionally or through…

>> TikTok on the other hand doesn’t care what other people like Yes, it absolutely does. Nonviolent social activism, LGBTQ content, and anything judged to be "subversive" is downranked/shadowbanned.

They stopped doing this in 2020. Now you can easily find very popular subversive content

Re: TikTok is scary good. It's digital crack

#257

I am having difficulty finding TikTok's addictiveness. My job depends on understanding consumer apps, so in the past 1.5 years, I've been trying TikTok anew every 3 months, each day at least trying to spend 10 minutes on it no matter how uninteresting I find the content to be, but end up giving up after 3 to 7 days each time I try. I swipe quickly past uninteresting content, stay on mildly interesting ones, and make…

>I subscribe to a bunch of email newsletters and RSS feeds, check Reddit and Twitter daily, and check HackerNews morning and night, and I have no problem finding interesting content every time I open these things (Twitter being least interesting to me out of this list). I think we have the same "problem": "content" doesn't engage us, "discussion" does. It's not so much about the exact topic as much as the ability to…

This is 100% me. If I can't mainline a bunch of people's perspectives within minutes, I'm not interested. Video is waaayyy too slow. Granted, I also have an exception: I watch YouTube regularly, but I have to be doing something with my hands at the same time.

And it's not an attention span thing — I read books. It's about the density of information and the speed with which I can traverse it. I can read as fast as I think, but even 2x speed videos don't get there. So without an additional activity to fill my whole attention space (is there a term for this? ADHD people might have one?) I get bored.

Re: TikTok is scary good. It's digital crack

#258

I am having difficulty finding TikTok's addictiveness. My job depends on understanding consumer apps, so in the past 1.5 years, I've been trying TikTok anew every 3 months, each day at least trying to spend 10 minutes on it no matter how uninteresting I find the content to be, but end up giving up after 3 to 7 days each time I try. I swipe quickly past uninteresting content, stay on mildly interesting ones, and make…

Just out of curiosity what are you using to read RSS feeds

There should be an equivalent to Godwin's law for HN and RSS readers <3

Re: TikTok is scary good. It's digital crack

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Other platforms only look for similar content to what you've already seen. They don't take novelty into account. If you like one picture of a dog on Instagram it'll just show you more dogs and you get bored. Watch a few YouTube videos about one topic and the algorithm gets fixated on it. YouTube is so bad now that if you use it to listen to music the autoplay gets into an infinite loop of songs that sound near identi…

It's interesting that these companies go into these different product directions, while i assume they're both looking at similar metrics, and optimizing for the same outcome: engagement and number of users. Somehow YouTube is seeing more engagement by showing more of the same, and TikTok is seeing even more engagement from showing fresh content. Maybe the risk of an upward trend in outcomes, that blurs the fact that…

For me, YouTube is literally the same - I get the same videos thrown into my feed in repeat. Apparently this converts well for YT and the result is that my feed is maybe 10% genuine discovery. The rest is shit.
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