Melbourne hit-and-run blamed on Tesla Autopilot, could set legal precedent

Post by jokethrowaway » Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 8:21 AM UTC

na85 wrote: post #15

krisoft wrote: post #12

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> But we're a good 25 years out from a truly autonomous, road-worthy, self-driving human transport. It sounds like your reasoning goes like this: my interactions with things which are supposedly AI are bad. Self-driving cars are also some form of AI, therefore self-driving cars must be bad and or far away too. Did I understood you right? The problem with that logic is that there is nothing in common in implementation…

>But the failure modes and shortcomings of these systems are considered and reasoned about the same way you would do the same with a good old-fashioned kalman-filter based sub-system. My personal definition of what constitutes "AI" includes emergent behavior as a prerequisite. To lack emergence is to be a programmable logic controller. Do these systems you're talking about exhibit emergence? If so, how can you possib…

Post by ggm » Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 9:23 AM UTC

viraptor wrote: post #20

postingawayonhn wrote: post #19

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> Ok, I need to call this out. Unless I missed something, there's nothing to suggest that the person involved is an overseas resident. Just based on the picture I'd be pretty confident she is. I find it fairly easy to pick out young people from Asia who are recent immigrants based on their dress and hairstyles.

> I find it fairly easy to pick out young people from Asia who are recent immigrants based on (...) racial stereotypes. FTFY Not sure what people find wrong about this. Yes, a fashion change in immigrants sure happens for many reasons. But going the other way - from "I see a person" to "she's a recent immigrant" is harmful stereotyping because you will be wrong. Doing that under a post going from "probably a recent i…

Post by natch » Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 9:24 AM UTC

deepsun wrote: post #17

andrewinardeer wrote: post #4

> A hit-and-run incident in Melbourne yesterday could set a legal precedent for the use of autonomous driving technologies in Australia. There is no precedent to be set. If you are behind the wheel of a car you are responsible for it's operation. 'Autopilot' or not. And hard to say it was the autopilot's fault for driving off and returning to the police station two hours later.

Well, Mercedes takes legal responsibility for its Autopilot, unlike Tesla.

Post by jpmoral » Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 9:28 AM UTC

viraptor wrote: post #20

postingawayonhn wrote: post #19

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> Ok, I need to call this out. Unless I missed something, there's nothing to suggest that the person involved is an overseas resident. Just based on the picture I'd be pretty confident she is. I find it fairly easy to pick out young people from Asia who are recent immigrants based on their dress and hairstyles.

> I find it fairly easy to pick out young people from Asia who are recent immigrants based on (...) racial stereotypes. FTFY Not sure what people find wrong about this. Yes, a fashion change in immigrants sure happens for many reasons. But going the other way - from "I see a person" to "she's a recent immigrant" is harmful stereotyping because you will be wrong. Doing that under a post going from "probably a recent i…

Post by deepsun » Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 9:34 AM UTC

natch wrote: post #25

deepsun wrote: post #17

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Well, Mercedes takes legal responsibility for its Autopilot, unlike Tesla.

Mercedes says they will only take legal responsibility "while the system is active." The system will deactivate and hand control (and liability) right back to the human just in the nick of time if it encounters any marginal conditions (stormy weather, presence of emergency vehicles, etc…). So it looks like just an attempt to one-up Tesla with a marketing gimmick.