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Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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Ecstasy. I had massive problems speaking with people. I ended up going to a rave with some friends, took some molly, had an amazing time talking to people and then realized that if I could do that with a drug then I could probably do it without a drug. (I haven’t done e in over a decade). I still had some issues with public speaking so during my mba I forced myself to give every presentation possible. This largely so…

Same here. As a shy guy in my 20s I went to a small club on 300mg of Ecstasy, and over 5 hours I introduced myself to pretty much everybody in the place, asked a random girl to dance and went backstage to chat in another language with the band. I just felt I was a human among other humans. At home among friends. I must've been pretty clearly high as a kite, but the lesson I learned that night is that people generally…

I can echo your positive experience but the effect this has on people around you should also be taken into account. On MDMA you're going to want to talk to everybody about everything and that can lead to awkward situations once you've come down. Not only that but upon noticing your gigantic pupils some people might be a bit freaked out or feel like they're trapped in a conversation with you.

TLDR do it around people who aren't going to mind that you're obviously on MDMA

Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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Practice. Practice practice practice. Which sounds daunting, but… …now, I realize it’s unfair to map physical appearance to awkwardness, but…let’s take a look at me in 2008 versus 2021. https://imgur.com/7sR0qKt Can you infer I might have been awkward? Because I was awkward. Always had been, and in a lot of ways, I am still am. But I am vastly better than I used to be. And it was practice. Slow, slow, slow practice.…

> I realize it’s unfair to map physical appearance to awkwardness Doesn't seem like you do (given that you do exactly that in the same sentence).

Give the man a break. He’s displaying his social skills by calling attention to his physical and stylistic transformation in a way that nods at plausible deniability. This is how you do this. Get hot and wear clothes that show you care about clothes is part of self-presentation. Becoming more attractive leads to better social skills almost automatically. People treat you better and you become more confident and both feed on each other.

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Practice. Practice practice practice. Which sounds daunting, but… …now, I realize it’s unfair to map physical appearance to awkwardness, but…let’s take a look at me in 2008 versus 2021. https://imgur.com/7sR0qKt Can you infer I might have been awkward? Because I was awkward. Always had been, and in a lot of ways, I am still am. But I am vastly better than I used to be. And it was practice. Slow, slow, slow practice.…

This may sound like a dumb question, but which person in the before picture, and which person in the after? It's like four different people. :D

I think rightmost in the old, and leftmost in the new

Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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Disclaimer: I am not a professional in the field of medicine, psychology, psychiatry or similar. I am just a guy, an older guy, who was socially awkward/shy for decades on end and I have things somewhat under control now.

Being shy, being socially awkward, having low-self esteeem and similar are all manifestations and symptoms of a root cause: Anxiety.

And while one might be able to alleviates the symptoms and manifestations here and there, the one and only cure is to address the root cause: the Anxiety.

And that's easier said than done.

To top it all, I also carried with me, for decades, undiagnosed severe clinical depression. So many times in my life I have reached bottom only to "settle" there fore a while and - later on in life -r each new bottom(s), over and over again, And then over.

Things that I have tried:

- hitting the gym till I was ripped. It helped with the ladies, which then helped overall, but... not really

- meditation: I have meditated thousand of hours, it actually didn't do anything for me

- I have read hundreds of books on depression, anxiety, happiness, confidence, relationships.. you name it, I have read them. The classic, the famous and the not so famous.

- I tried to get married, twice. And twice got divorced. I also tried heterosexual relationships of any type: affairs, FWB, just friends, just hooking up.... Nothing worked (now I say: of course, but that's for another day)

- talk therapy. 18 months of that and got me to a professional diagnosis of being "Depression free'. The anxiety and associated crap was still there.

- I even walked on coals!

What I did not try: meds, drugs (legal or illegal)

What has helped:

- time, yeah, age brings interesting perspective

- reading as much as possible science-based books and articles (and not new age crap. Honorable mentions are "Feeling Good", all the Rational Emotive Behavioral Therapy (REBT) books on Amazon, "The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck", "12 Rules for Life", "Not Nice: Stop People Pleasing, Staying Silent, & Feeling Guilty... And Start Speaking Up, Saying No, Asking Boldly, And Unapologetically Being Yourself ", "No More Mr Nice Guy" and "The War of Art"

- my therapist helped too. I had a GREAT therapist. Bu she helped up to a point.

- writing helped. Writing almost every day, writing the dark crap that came to mind, anonymous writing on my own blog(s) and on Reddit too.

- REBT (mentioned above) helped me immensely

- I left the best for last: looking at my misadventures in life from the point of view that I am both accountable and WRONG for how I react/respond to life, and how I act in it, and writing about it daily has helped me the most. It has helped me unpack that a lot of my worldviews, presuppositions, what I though was "normal", my cause->effect expectations were, and to some degree still are, utterly wrong. And there's a LOT that I can do to chance things around, to tweak my behavior, to become a better person because, unbeknown to me for decades, my Anxiety had me angry inside and often I was a complete self righteous A-hole

I wrote about being wrong on HN a while back, here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30656873

Every day I realize how wrong I have been in certain aspects of my life, and I struggle to remedy and rectify things.

I look back and I an see the same wrong patterns of behavior in my parents, their parents, my sister, her kids.... And in quite a few people around me.

OP: that is how I improved, from a shy awkward kid I am now living a good life, and still improving. It never ends, keep on searching and improving and trying trying trying. Find a way.

Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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Honestly, getting my first job at a movie theater. Kind of just got flung out there and had to deal with it. It helped because everyone I worked with was relatively outgoing. To this day I still have a lot of personality quirks from coworkers that rubbed off on me while I was there.

Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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There's no such thing as "small talk". All talk is significant. If it is anything, "small talk" is talk that you don't mind other people hearing and joining. And if you think about that at a distance, it makes it very big talk indeed.

To me, "small talk" is mundane chit-chat that you do mostly to be polite or to break the ice. "Hi , weathers been awfully cold lately hasn't it? Yes, can't wait till summer. Did you watch the game yesterday? Anyway catch you later!" kind of things.

Yeah. It's small on that level.

But it's not small if that is the conversation that allows someone you both haven't yet met to feel at ease in joining in to chat with you. That makes it powerful, because it leads on to people introducing themselves, more common ground being found, etc.

Also, it might be the only kind of talk that can "break the ice" in the general case. I mean -- imagine replacing small talk with a deep question about politics or science or music theory. It couldn't work so well in general.

That is what I mean about its significance. Almost all of us exist solely because of small talk between our until-then-unknown-to-each-other parents, for example.

"Small" talk is the beginning of almost everything.

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> But none of those drugs will result in the long-term change that you’re looking for I mean, it literally did, and I stated as such. Obviously the drug itself was not enough. The scenario and the realization afterword also mattered. But without mdma my life would likely have been very different. Also, unlike cocaine etc. mdma isn’t addictive - taking more and more of it just results in you feeling shittier for longe…

Let’s not advocate schedule one controlled substances as the solution Even though it probably works

Legality and morality are not the same.

Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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For the first 20 years of my life I was extremely introvert, while at the same time very curious.

This curiosity later in life led me to become basically the opposite of how I was back then. Today I run several successful ompanies with dozens of employees,

Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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Oh gosh, you speak to myself. Don't do what I did (hide under intoxication, brazen it out, wait too late to ask for help). There's absolutely nothing wrong with being shy or feeling awkward in company! As a matter of fact it's quite healthy, and a sign that you are sufficiently courageous to leave your comfort zone. We are, always, children. Enjoy being shy and introspective, observe other people closely, make sure y…

> We are, always, children.

This is a universally useful concept. It's important to remember that all adults are really just children with experience and emotional armour. Brain surgeons, judges, police, the person you love; the kid is still in there.

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