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Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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I would argue that doomer is a waste of time. Time to be a prepper and realign our relationship to the planet. We could go on and on about climate doom, etc, but the most productive thing we can do is expect change, not apocalypse, and adjust. Lead by example. Everyone reading this can go full wind and solar. Can stop driving or drastically cut it down (move closer, use public transport, work remote, etc). We can all…

I agree with most of your points. Please research solar and wind before switching, though. Until we have solved the problem of energy storage, in many cases, solar and wind actually tend to increase pollution, because they both rely upon polluting raw materials for both themselves and their batteries and need backup power, which to this day means gas. That is unless you find yourself with a good problem set in which…

> Until we have solved the problem of energy storage

We have. Pumped hydro and batteries (iron flow is successfully being deployed commercially, but also lithium ion; Li-Ion prices continue to drop 6-12% per year.)

> because they both rely upon polluting raw materials for both themselves and their batteries and need backup power, which to this day means gas.

No.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/three-myths-about-renewable-e...

> To pick a much tougher case, the “dark doldrums” of European winters are often claimed to need many months of battery storage for an all-renewable electrical grid. Yet top German and Belgian grid operators find Europe would need only one to two weeks of renewably derived backup fuel, providing just 6 percent of winter output — not a huge challenge.

> The bottom line is simple. Electrical grids can deal with much larger fractions of renewable energy at zero or modest cost, and this has been known for quite a while. Some European countries with little or no hydropower already get about half to three-fourths of their electricity from renewables with grid reliability better than in the U.S. It is time to get past the myths.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2012/sep/26/myt...

> The essence of the wind sceptics' case is that a scaling up in wind power will have to be "backed up" by massive investment in gas-fired open cycle turbine (OCGT) plants, which are cheap to build but considerably less efficient than the combined cycle gas turbine (CCGT) power plants which deliver the vast majority of the UK's gas-fired electricity supply.

> Their arguments are not borne out by current statistics, however. If the sceptics were right, the recent windy conditions would have seen considerable use of less-efficient OCGT as wind input to the grid ramped up and down. In actual fact, during the entire June-September period, OCGTs and equally dirty oil-fired stations produced less than one hundredth of one percent of all UK electricity. In total they operated for a grand total of just nine half hour periods in the first 19 days of the month – and these periods had nothing to do with changing windspeeds.

Further references:

https://usa.oceana.org/renewable-energy-myth-vs-fact/

https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy05osti/37657.pdf

Stick to writing web browsers.

Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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And regarding excuses. Maybe we should be able to bring up the road blocks and not call them excuses? Like this in regards to solar that just popped up on my radar today? https://www.wral.com/rooftop-solar-rate-changes-could-cast-l... " NC Capitol NC Capitol Rooftop solar rate changes could cast long shadow over industry, climate change Tags: solar, NC Utilities Commission, utility bills, NCCapitol, Duke Energy, hous…

> Duke Energy had a 12% net profit margin with a gross profit of $4.4 Billion in December 2021. Having previously invested in Duke Energy (but not currently directly invested in them), that gross profit figure seemed dramatically wrong. Because it is. For the quarter ending (not the month of) Dec 2021, Duke Energy had a gross revenue of $6.2B, with a cost of revenue of $3.6B, for a gross profit (for the quarter) of $…

Gross profit isn't even a useful metric here. SpodGaju is just cherry picking a number that's high to make it sound outrageous. SpodGaju is ignoring all the infratructure (and related costs) needed for reliable electricity.

Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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post #21

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I agree with most of your points. Please research solar and wind before switching, though. Until we have solved the problem of energy storage, in many cases, solar and wind actually tend to increase pollution, because they both rely upon polluting raw materials for both themselves and their batteries and need backup power, which to this day means gas. That is unless you find yourself with a good problem set in which…

This argument is total oil company propaganda. Raw materials do not pollute. Their mining and manufacture does, but that again is because of oil consumption in an outdated manufacturing chain. Burning oil produces CO2. It is chemically impossible to avoid this. Manufacturing silicon and harvesting lithium do not produce CO2, and these processes can be cleaned up.

So you are agreeing with Yoric then? Doubling up in energy infrastructure increases mining and manufacturing, which then increases pollution. But then you say it's propaganda?

Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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Surprises me that the NIH isn't doing more to investigate this. Maybe it will turn out that they're basically inert and won't do much but that's not something I want to cross my finger and hope about.

Plastic is an oil (by)product and the oil industry is one of the top three lobbies in the US. We cannot count on public institutions to seriously address this issue.

Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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This is ridiculous. You are expecting people to take aassive downgrade in standard of living. I spend years working to make more money than everybody so I can live better, not worse. And you are wrong, my kids will live much better as well, because I will pass on that money.

If a majority of the world thought like you, what do you think the outcome would be? Well, you can see it all around you; micro plastics, climate change, endless wars, etc...

A massive "downgrade" in living is coming regardless of the money you hoard. Maybe not for your kids, but most probably for your grandkids. Even in the short term, looks like a recession is coming based on mortgage rates hitting 5%.

I appreciate the concern and care you have for your children, but setting them up with such a high standard of living will only lead to them suffering.

And you might call my lifestyle a downgrade. That is what everyone keeps telling me.

Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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> Duke Energy had a 12% net profit margin with a gross profit of $4.4 Billion in December 2021. Having previously invested in Duke Energy (but not currently directly invested in them), that gross profit figure seemed dramatically wrong. Because it is. For the quarter ending (not the month of) Dec 2021, Duke Energy had a gross revenue of $6.2B, with a cost of revenue of $3.6B, for a gross profit (for the quarter) of $…

Gross profit isn't even a useful metric here. SpodGaju is just cherry picking a number that's high to make it sound outrageous. SpodGaju is ignoring all the infratructure (and related costs) needed for reliable electricity.

Gross profit is gross profit. It is not a number I am making up. They made 5% more profit then they did last year. Their gross profit, meaning money they have left after accounting for all expenses, was $18 billion for 2021.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/DUK/duke-energy/gr...

Duke Energy annual gross profit for 2021 was $18.137B, a 4.49% increase from 2020.

https://wraltechwire.com/2022/02/10/duke-energy-ceo-q4-cappe...

"For the year, the company reported profit of $3.91 billion, or $4.94 per share. Revenue was reported as $25.1 billion."

Profit, that is money left over. Can you explain how stating a companies profit is cherry picking?

Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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post #48
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with most of your points. Please research solar and wind before switching, though. Until we have solved the problem of energy storage, in many cases, solar and wind actually tend to increase pollution, because they both rely upon polluting raw materials for both themselves and their batteries and need backup power, which to this day means gas. That is unless you find yourself with a good problem set in which…

This argument is total oil company propaganda. Raw materials do not pollute. Their mining and manufacture does, but that again is because of oil consumption in an outdated manufacturing chain. Burning oil produces CO2. It is chemically impossible to avoid this. Manufacturing silicon and harvesting lithium do not produce CO2, and these processes can be cleaned up.

You seem to be using "pollute" as a synonym for "releasing CO2", while Yoric does not.

I think the two of you are talking past each other.

Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

#88
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And regarding excuses. Maybe we should be able to bring up the road blocks and not call them excuses? Like this in regards to solar that just popped up on my radar today? https://www.wral.com/rooftop-solar-rate-changes-could-cast-l... " NC Capitol NC Capitol Rooftop solar rate changes could cast long shadow over industry, climate change Tags: solar, NC Utilities Commission, utility bills, NCCapitol, Duke Energy, hous…

Full net metering is asking folks without solar to subsidize your "batteries", namely the power-grid. Your power bill is more than just generation costs. It's also distribution AND providing power 24/7, which household solar (without storage) does NOT do. Suppose that your power company charges $0.50/KwH at peak time. They pay less than $0.50/KwH to other power generators, so why should they pay that to someone with…

I am sorry if I do not shed tears for companies that make billions in profit(!) while ice shelves are cleaving off the Antarctic.

https://twitter.com/StefLhermitte/status/1507397236849876992

These companies are concerned about losing profit, because shareholders. And they actively fight against solar whenever they can because one solar uses is a loss to them. And they use the propaganda you reiterate to believe their sad story.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/13/solar-power-...

https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2021/12/20/fl...

Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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I'm constantly worried that despite the increased understanding we have relative to past generations, the increasing scope of our technological interventions means that global catastrophes seem more likely to occur relative to the past. [0] Look at the convulsions we need to go through to address climate change politically, and realize that it is only one of maybe a thousand potential grave threats, each of which pit…

I would argue that doomer is a waste of time. Time to be a prepper and realign our relationship to the planet. We could go on and on about climate doom, etc, but the most productive thing we can do is expect change, not apocalypse, and adjust. Lead by example. Everyone reading this can go full wind and solar. Can stop driving or drastically cut it down (move closer, use public transport, work remote, etc). We can all…

While I certainly agree that everything you've said about what an individual can do is true, I disagree that in the grand scheme of things that it will make any difference at global scale.

Telling people to change their lifestyle to fight climate change is the environmental equivalent of telling people to diet and exercise to lose weight. On one hand, it's obviously true, but on the other hand we have decades and decades of proof that requiring individual willpower to make societal-wide change is a failed proposition.

Large scale change is only possible with government and technological advancement, e.g. electric vehicle adoption is in some ways accelerating faster than expected, because as battery prices have come down, people have realized that electric vehicles are better in nearly every way. Better storage technologies are also making large-scale renewable energy sources more feasible.

So yes, it's a good idea to drive less and put solar panels on your roof, but let's not pretend that the requisite number of people will "follow your example" if it's too onerous for them to do so.

Re: Scientists find microplastics in blood for first time

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post #40

Why only now? Were the subjects covid vaccinated? Doesn't mRNA vaccines contain polymers? https://www.nature.com/articles/s41565-021-01001-3 I think that is a relevant question now for many scientific studies now since a large part of the population has been vaccinated in some places and age groups Direct reference, only a small vaccine reference https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016041202...

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