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Re: Mourning loss as a remote team

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"Pete had no HR, no health benefits, and no employee record with alternate or emergency contacts." Welcome to tech dystopia, I guess.

He was presumably making good money, so able to buy his own insurance? According to the article he was from Scottland, so presumably he would also have been eligible for care from the NHS, like every other UK citizen?

Just because people organize their own things, it is not "dystopia". Some people don't need and/or don't want a nanny or a nanny state.

Re: Mourning loss as a remote team

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I’ve worked at a couple places where someone died, and it was definitely acknowledged by management and I feel like it would be incredibly weird not to. At one place, a guy who had left the company a few months prior died in a car crash. The guy had a wife and newborn baby. The CEO shared the news and the company made a contribution to a GoFundMe for the wife and baby. I think the company offered grief counseli…

Reactions from management and everyone else is typically different for suicides than for car crashes and other causes. In my experience, suicides are hushed and not discussed while car crashes and heart attacks are. It’s a terrible double-standard.

It may be because there is evidence that discussing suicide increases the likelihood of more suicides. I'm sure there's more nuance that could be done in theory / I would assume there exists some "right" way to discuss it that may actually be healthier, but it's easier to just look at studies and say best to just avoid it altogether.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK207262

Re: Mourning loss as a remote team

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I think human connection and doing things as a community has fallen by the wayside in the modern world. It will be particularly bad with fully remote work: most people do better cognitively and emotionally when they have contact with a variety of people and have the changes of scene that are part of a normal day. It's also sad to see the complete disconnect at the workplace, where people are no longer building relati…

Right. But the discussions about a benefit of in person work is that hanging out with coworkers end up as “I already have friends, I don’t need work fake friends”.

I just don’t think the end state is a cohesive company doing their best work. Just a bunch of individuals doing their micro task.

Re: Mourning loss as a remote team

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Thank you for sharing this piece. Navigating a loss like this in a purely remote environment must have been incredibly challenging — grieving feels like an exercise that we do best together in the same physical space. Sometimes you just need someone to give you a hug.

The hardest thing I have ever done as a manager was gather my team into a room and let them know that one of our team members, a young woman just beginning her career, died in a car accident. The accident happened the night before my wedding. I came back to work 36 hours after my wedding, and a few days before leaving for my honeymoon. The first email in my inbox was from a friend of hers telling me what had happened. I walked into work to an office full of people wanting to hear about my wedding and instead I had to tell them that someone they knew and cared about was gone.

She sent me an email sharing her joy about my wedding that I didn't read until after I had already learned of her death.

Six years later and the memories are still painful.

Re: Mourning loss as a remote team

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In my 40’s now and watching my father (boomer gen) go to funerals of people he worked with for years (in some cases decades). It makes me wonder who from work would bother going to mine, not out of guilt or obligation. The previous generation, for all their faults, seems to have a closer connection with their colleagues. Granted we connect differently these days, the bonds seem so temporary, fleeting even. They’re often anonymous.

Sad really.

Re: Mourning loss as a remote team

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Pete would ask to work more hours. He claimed he could use the money. He was a contractor remember Amidst the loss here, this line stood out to me and brings to mind all the terrible ways contractors are taken advantage of, or at least, treated and compensated vastly different than their "staff"/"full-time" peers who are often doing the exact same work . For fun, google the phrase "permatemp". E.g. I had a past job a…

Why is a contractor asking for more hours an example of them being taken advantage of?

Some people can make it work, but imo it's an orange flag for a path to burn-out, especially if it's an excessive number of hours and not a standard 9-5 (with all the rest of their clients put together). A lot of times contractors work for multiple clients at one time, so it's easy to forget "your hours" are not their only ones.

Re: Mourning loss as a remote team

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post #169

I think human connection and doing things as a community has fallen by the wayside in the modern world. It will be particularly bad with fully remote work: most people do better cognitively and emotionally when they have contact with a variety of people and have the changes of scene that are part of a normal day. It's also sad to see the complete disconnect at the workplace, where people are no longer building relati…

This hasn't been my experience at all. Plenty of social connection and discussion of personal lives in my team meetings, just less with coworkers who aren't on the same team. I'm doing better cognitively and emotionally working from home - I can take breaks more freely and use them more fully, going on walks around my neighborhood instead of a dull corporate park, interacting with my fiancé instead of coworkers, napping on my lunch break. I have more energy, time and money to socialize with friends outside of work and pursue fulfilling personal projects thanks to not commuting. I'm more productive at work because I'm less distracted by office gossip and unproductive coworkers and because I'm happier.

Re: Mourning loss as a remote team

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Managers, one solution here is pretty easy. For instance, if your team has a daily status meeting, just tell them "every other Friday, cameras are encouraged". That's it. Don't make it mandatory, don't make jokes about "Joe never turns his camera on, what does his place look like?" In a world that is getting more and more lonely for a lot of people, this can be a life saver. And to HR, I have a similar message. Do yo…

The moment you realize HR is there to serve the company's interests, not the employee's, your expectation of them changes.

You'd be amazed at how often those coincide if there's not a culture of omerta.

It's almost as if happy employees are in a company's interest. Not paramount, but not neglected either.

Re: Mourning loss as a remote team

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My partner sat in the same cube pod as someone who took their life. One day they were just gone and a crying family member came by to take away a box of things. There was no official acknowledgement of what happened, no service or memorializing, only hushed whispers. It was terrible. Thank you for your humane response to Pete's death, for creating room for the team to grieve and official acknowledgement that it was n…

That is the worst! I remember when a long-time team member died unexpectedly one weekend. We all learned about it at the Monday standup meeting and we luckily had the common sense to cancel the standup because no one wanted to talk.

A number of us went to the funeral and his wife told me (I had met her once before) that she was so happy that his co-workers came to pay their respects. It made her feel that he had a larger impact than she knew of and it was comforting to her.

I hate, hate, hate the way corps try to brush away any unpleasantness like ignoring it means it didn't happen!

Re: Mourning loss as a remote team

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post #88

Pete would ask to work more hours. He claimed he could use the money. He was a contractor remember Amidst the loss here, this line stood out to me and brings to mind all the terrible ways contractors are taken advantage of, or at least, treated and compensated vastly different than their "staff"/"full-time" peers who are often doing the exact same work . For fun, google the phrase "permatemp". E.g. I had a past job a…

That’s dumb. I work with contractors who I consider not only my team mates (we work on the same shit) but also my friends. We play games together after work sometimes and chat once in a while on zoom.

They give demos, leadership gives them kudos, and they feel part of the team.

Contractors are team mates with a different employment structure but if we’re in the trenches together that distinction gets thrown out.

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