China forces Mozilla to remove adblockers from its store
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Re: China forces Mozilla to remove adblockers from its store
#2Mozilla should just stop operating in China then, it's not a business
Re: China forces Mozilla to remove adblockers from its store
#3I know it is not popular opinion, but it wouldn't bother me if all add blockers were removed. No web site has an obligation to serve pages outside of their intentions regarding advertising. If a website is too annoying and in your face with adds, I just move on and find a site that is more accommodating. Some sites only exist for the purpose of pushing adds using stolen content and they are fairly easy to identify, so I avoid them.
Re: China forces Mozilla to remove adblockers from its store
#4Sidenote: Why does the west allow China to run a social media app like Tiktok globally whilst China itself blocks all external apps within its own borders?
Arguing that if we block them we are just as bad as them is niave to me. Like giving away all concessions in a trade negotiation to gain the high moral ground.
Seems like such an obvious question to me.
Re: China forces Mozilla to remove adblockers from its store
#5I know it is not popular opinion, but it wouldn't bother me if all add blockers were removed. No web site has an obligation to serve pages outside of their intentions regarding advertising. If a website is too annoying and in your face with adds, I just move on and find a site that is more accommodating. Some sites only exist for the purpose of pushing adds using stolen content and they are fairly easy to identify, s…
It's a threat to http & services everywhere to take a simple static piece of content & words & insist that access must come with tracking far and wide by hundreds and hundreds of parties.
The alternative to ad blockers are alternate transport mediums, is users sending raw static html bundles to each other directly.
It sucks that we rely so heavily on this hostile monetization model. Agreed that sites have a right to not serve to folks who disable trackers. Yet... outlawing user agency, denying the web's nature as a medium for the user, that we have power over- that top down authoritarianism, is, however, completely bunk & stupid.
The medium is malleable & that's such a huge feature versus the rest of computing. The Internet Is For End Users (rfc8890)[1] and the web is the most positive living breathing technology on the planet we have towards this end.
Using the heavy dumb fist of the law to bludgeon the web into being a much lesser medium, into stiff rigidity that is apathetic to the user is such a stupid act for/by suckers. Absolutely 0% sense or morality in forcing top down desires onto the web, denying the user agency: this medium is a 2 way street and that's it's most hopeful, humanistic, positive aspect, so starkly visible in contrast to all the other shitty controlled proprietary unflexible experiences we are forced into unwillingly in the rest of computing.
Re: China forces Mozilla to remove adblockers from its store
#6I know it is not popular opinion, but it wouldn't bother me if all add blockers were removed. No web site has an obligation to serve pages outside of their intentions regarding advertising. If a website is too annoying and in your face with adds, I just move on and find a site that is more accommodating. Some sites only exist for the purpose of pushing adds using stolen content and they are fairly easy to identify, s…
No client has an obligation to let a web site have control over their machine. The way I and many other got into our careers was being able to fiddle around, explore, and customize our own experiences (aka blocking stuff like this, fixing UI issues, etc.)
Re: China forces Mozilla to remove adblockers from its store
#7I know it is not popular opinion, but it wouldn't bother me if all add blockers were removed. No web site has an obligation to serve pages outside of their intentions regarding advertising. If a website is too annoying and in your face with adds, I just move on and find a site that is more accommodating. Some sites only exist for the purpose of pushing adds using stolen content and they are fairly easy to identify, s…
No client has an obligation to let a web site have control over their machine. The way I and many other got into our careers was being able to fiddle around, explore, and customize our own experiences (aka blocking stuff like this, fixing UI issues, etc.)
>No client has an obligation to let a web site have control over their machine.
Web sites do not force you to load their content, so I must assume you feel entitled to what ever you want in this regard.
Re: China forces Mozilla to remove adblockers from its store
#8I know it is not popular opinion, but it wouldn't bother me if all add blockers were removed. No web site has an obligation to serve pages outside of their intentions regarding advertising. If a website is too annoying and in your face with adds, I just move on and find a site that is more accommodating. Some sites only exist for the purpose of pushing adds using stolen content and they are fairly easy to identify, s…
With that attitude we wouldn’t just have ads but the pop-up hell of yesteryear, combined with unstoppable seizure inducing eardrum piercing video ads and all encompassing tracking with no way out. And because it’s a race to the bottom, on every site.
Re: China forces Mozilla to remove adblockers from its store
#9Sidenote: Why does the west allow China to run a social media app like Tiktok globally whilst China itself blocks all external apps within its own borders? Arguing that if we block them we are just as bad as them is niave to me. Like giving away all concessions in a trade negotiation to gain the high moral ground. Seems like such an obvious question to me.
Agreed, they probably laugh at us from time to time and rightfully so.
Re: China forces Mozilla to remove adblockers from its store
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
No client has an obligation to let a web site have control over their machine. The way I and many other got into our careers was being able to fiddle around, explore, and customize our own experiences (aka blocking stuff like this, fixing UI issues, etc.)
>No client has an obligation to let a web site have control over their machine. Web sites do not force you to load their content, so I must assume you feel entitled to what ever you want in this regard.
> Web sites do not force you to load their content
Indeed they do not - you can choose to load whatever content you like. You can choose to load images. Or JavaScript. Or video. Or ads. Or not.
> so I must assume you feel entitled to what ever you want in this regard
Users should absolutely be entitled to decide what data they want to download over their network connection.
It's essential for many reasons, including saving on metered data, saving battery life, improving performance, improving security, and improving privacy.
Adtech is extremely detrimental in a variety of ways including data use, power use, speed, security, and privacy. For those reasons alone, it makes a lot of sense to block it whenever possible.