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Re: The Russians Fleeing Putin's Wartime Crackdown

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Post by dang » Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 2:16 PM UTC

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #9

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Yeah, taking part in every protest against Putin in the last 12 years, being detained at a protest wasn't enough punishment for me. I should better perish in the announced coming purge of the fifth column, because persons like you like to feel good about themselves making statements like this one you made. You people are exactly like the ones who were turning away Jews fleeing the Nazi Germany. And if you think that…

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar or cross into personal attack, no matter how provocative another comment is.

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Re: The Russians Fleeing Putin's Wartime Crackdown

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Post by Femtio » Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 2:16 PM UTC

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #9

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Yeah, taking part in every protest against Putin in the last 12 years, being detained at a protest wasn't enough punishment for me. I should better perish in the announced coming purge of the fifth column, because persons like you like to feel good about themselves making statements like this one you made. You people are exactly like the ones who were turning away Jews fleeing the Nazi Germany. And if you think that…

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Re: The Russians Fleeing Putin's Wartime Crackdown

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Post by dang » Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 2:17 PM UTC

yostrovs wrote: post #8

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #3

It would be so much easier for any skilled worker to flee Russia if various western companies would stop virtue signalling and stop this trend of cancelling all services for Russians. By doing this they feel good, but are actually helping Putin and his criminal gang. I was ready for our criminal government to start building a Russian Firewall to hinder access to non-government propaganda for Russian Citizens, but I w…

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Advocating for collective punishment is a serious breach of the site guidelines and is not allowed here, regardless of how right you are or feel you are on a topic. No more of this, please.

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Re: The Russians Fleeing Putin's Wartime Crackdown

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov » Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 2:17 PM UTC

yostrovs wrote: post #8

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #3

It would be so much easier for any skilled worker to flee Russia if various western companies would stop virtue signalling and stop this trend of cancelling all services for Russians. By doing this they feel good, but are actually helping Putin and his criminal gang. I was ready for our criminal government to start building a Russian Firewall to hinder access to non-government propaganda for Russian Citizens, but I w…

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Re: The Russians Fleeing Putin's Wartime Crackdown

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Post by Femtio » Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 2:18 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #10

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You can't advocate for collective punishment on HN. No more of this, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

? Sry?

So advocating for any punishment (which every sanction is) is not okay?

So everyone on hn is against sanctions?

Re: The Russians Fleeing Putin's Wartime Crackdown

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 2:19 PM UTC

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #3

It would be so much easier for any skilled worker to flee Russia if various western companies would stop virtue signalling and stop this trend of cancelling all services for Russians. By doing this they feel good, but are actually helping Putin and his criminal gang. I was ready for our criminal government to start building a Russian Firewall to hinder access to non-government propaganda for Russian Citizens, but I w…

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Re: The Russians Fleeing Putin's Wartime Crackdown

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Post by ChuckNorris89 » Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 2:20 PM UTC

imtringued wrote: post #5

There is no way this war is fought for the benefit of Russia as a whole, not even in the form of a neo soviet union. Russia isn't threatened directly by the west, nuclear weapons are a sufficient deterrent and Europe is a loyal customer of coal, gas and oil. If nuclear weapons grant super power status amongst nations, then Russia is doing everything in its power to reduce its ability to maintain its current nuclear c…

>I sure hope Putin is an evil genius because if he isn't I can only say "Say goodbye to your super power status, Russia, and enjoy your hard fought international insignificance!"

I never understood what Putin's end game was here with this war, what can he earn extra of what he doesn't already have? He's already one of the world's richest men and he's already quite old. Couldn't he just like take his insane wealth and retire to some Caribbean island and live out the rest of his life in absolute luxury? Why did he need to start WW3 for? What does he stand to gain now? Seems like a stupid idea to become the world's most hated person when you were already set for a luxurious life.

Re: The Russians Fleeing Putin's Wartime Crackdown

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Post by Femtio » Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 2:20 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #13

yostrovs wrote: post #8

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Advocating for collective punishment is a serious breach of the site guidelines and is not allowed here, regardless of how right you are or feel you are on a topic. No more of this, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

The guidelines do not contain any mention of punishment.

And if a sanction is punishment, we are not allowed to discuss if sanctions and what level of them is okay?

Re: The Russians Fleeing Putin's Wartime Crackdown

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Post by eth0up » Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 2:24 PM UTC

yostrovs wrote: post #8

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #3

It would be so much easier for any skilled worker to flee Russia if various western companies would stop virtue signalling and stop this trend of cancelling all services for Russians. By doing this they feel good, but are actually helping Putin and his criminal gang. I was ready for our criminal government to start building a Russian Firewall to hinder access to non-government propaganda for Russian Citizens, but I w…

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What Republic of Utopia are you from? By those standards, the Ukrainian people should be punished for their persistent history of corruption. After all, in 2014, Ukraine was parallel with Nigeria on a global corruption index - and it has been significantly below too. As for the Ukrainians doing "a lot" to fight corruption, it seems not yet to have worked so well. Zelensky himself is featured in the Pandora Papers[0] where he is believed to have participated in the offshoring of 41 million. His closest associate, whose private ski resort he was visiting just before the invasion, was Kolomoyskyi - who has been sanctioned by the united states and had 2billion in assets seized. In 2018, he stated to journalists that Ukraine needed to "return to Russia"[1]. A strange creature to associate with.

I do not disparage Ukraine or its leaders. I do not support Russia. But it isn't all so simple.

1. https://archive.ph/3IbFz

2. https://www.occrp.org/en/the-pandora-papers/pandora-papers-r...

"Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful."

Friedrich Nietzsche

Re: The Russians Fleeing Putin's Wartime Crackdown

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Post by yostrovs » Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 2:26 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #13

yostrovs wrote: post #8

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Advocating for collective punishment is a serious breach of the site guidelines and is not allowed here, regardless of how right you are or feel you are on a topic. No more of this, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Sorry, didn't realize, but the context is the question of collective punishment, which really is being imposed by the world. I'm explaining what is rather than calling for anything that hasn't come to pass. Thanks dang for keeping this place intellectually functional on a daily basis.