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New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by recuter »

grapeskin wrote: post #55
gidorah wrote: post #51

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What? Any attempt to regulate or restrict birth control against women is consistently held up as the “patriarchy” because it restricts women’s autonomy. Now not restricting it is patriarchy? Seems like literally everything is. So far, men’s birth controls haven’t been legalized because the risks have been pretty massive. The last trial I heard of had a massive risk of suicide. “Patriarchy” has no part of it.

If you were a true ally you would be more like Alex Hesse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yabNRlqCCk

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by plasticchris »

DuskStar wrote: post #35
simulate-me wrote: post #31

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Do we really need more people? America has almost 350 million, and is completely dwarfed by India and China. That seems like plenty of people to me.

This depends. Do you want someone to be able to take care of you after you retire? Medical care, that sort of thing? If so, that means that you need people. People younger than you. People with some sort of societal attachment to you that results in them not just tossing your entire generation into a metaphorical woodchipper, because taking care of old people is a ton of work. The traditional way to ensure that such…

I just read an article about how immigrants (to the us) working in elder care were more culturally suited than Americans to the work, having more respect for old age. So it might be just the opposite, or perhaps respect for elders is a consequence of the demographic shift over time? Or just correlated?

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by knorker »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #53
timmg wrote: post #4

In Western countries and in Asia, fertility rates are pretty (edit: low) these days. I fear they would collapse with the introduction of a male fertility pill. In some sense, maybe that's not bad. The world is probably overpopulated. But if fertility drops too fast it creates real demographics problems in that few young people need to support many old people.

I don't think it'll make a big difference. We're already at the point where people only have kids when they want to. It might reduce some accidents but I think that's good. Not nice for a child to be unwanted.

Apparently 45% of US pregnancies are unintended. https://www.brookings.edu/research/preventing-unplanned-preg...

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by dtgriscom »

ada1981 wrote: post #40
timmg wrote: post #26

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A random google finds this: https://www.brookings.edu/research/preventing-unplanned-preg... > Unintended pregnancies are at an all-time low in the U.S. but still represent about 45 percent of all pregnancies.

Do they tease out unintended from unwanted? 45% is wild, and doubly so that this is an all time low. I could find a million dollars and it would be unintended but not unwanted.

There's no way you'd get accurate answers to "do you want this child?".

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by knorker »

axiomsEnd wrote: post #12
timmg wrote: post #4

In Western countries and in Asia, fertility rates are pretty (edit: low) these days. I fear they would collapse with the introduction of a male fertility pill. In some sense, maybe that's not bad. The world is probably overpopulated. But if fertility drops too fast it creates real demographics problems in that few young people need to support many old people.

Oral contraceptives are not as comfortable and easy to use as condoms, which are available everywhere. Taking drugs just to avoid pregnacy would be an alternative probably for people in relationships (instead of sometimes problematic womens contraceptives) and for people doing a lot of casual sex (who probably already use condoms/woman are on hormonal contraception).

Comfortable?

I've heard some men can't even feel the difference, but to me condoms essentially mean "why even bother?". Having sex with a condom is like saying you went swimming, but actually you went to the aquarium.

But still, in some types of encounters ya gotta do it, for safety.

For long term relationships though there are so many other options.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #56
zmgsabst wrote: post #39

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Yes — it’s absolutely psychotic to hope for a mass loss of human life and the decline of our species. There’s no reason to think it would make things better — and many to think a massive population decline would come with a technology regression and stall of our advancement. I think such ideas are a form of mental illness, often stemming from delusions about the world.

Not a decline but a stabilisation. That's really what's needed to make our planet sustainable. Right now the absolute worst thing you can do for the environment is to have a child as a westerner. And we're not hoping for loss of life. Just a more balanced population in the long term. We can't keep growing until every square meter of this planet is covered with people, I'm sure that's clear. Eventually resources will…

“Right now the absolute worst thing you can do for the environment is to have a child as a westerner.”

By this logic one can rationally claim the best thing you can do for the environment is to die.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

plasticchris wrote: post #62
DuskStar wrote: post #35

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This depends. Do you want someone to be able to take care of you after you retire? Medical care, that sort of thing? If so, that means that you need people. People younger than you. People with some sort of societal attachment to you that results in them not just tossing your entire generation into a metaphorical woodchipper, because taking care of old people is a ton of work. The traditional way to ensure that such…

I just read an article about how immigrants (to the us) working in elder care were more culturally suited than Americans to the work, having more respect for old age. So it might be just the opposite, or perhaps respect for elders is a consequence of the demographic shift over time? Or just correlated?

By the time most of us are old, there will be no immigrants remaining.

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Post by metaph6 »

recuter wrote: post #44
metaph6 wrote: post #9

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I've got the same feelings but it seems a bit more promising than others, and least here is some poor mice the trials conducted on

They tried monkeys already. Worked perfectly btw. You're welcome to volunteer for the human trials to spare the poor animals, I would except that I really really don't want to.

Oh thanks, I value my life more than other creatures'. Survival instinct:p

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Post by dane-pgp »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #66
GekkePrutser wrote: post #56

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Not a decline but a stabilisation. That's really what's needed to make our planet sustainable. Right now the absolute worst thing you can do for the environment is to have a child as a westerner. And we're not hoping for loss of life. Just a more balanced population in the long term. We can't keep growing until every square meter of this planet is covered with people, I'm sure that's clear. Eventually resources will…

“Right now the absolute worst thing you can do for the environment is to have a child as a westerner.” By this logic one can rationally claim the best thing you can do for the environment is to die.

Or to kill.

We need to be really careful that in our haste to make progress in environmental protection and gender equality, we don't find ourselves heading down the dark path towards eugenics or self-extinction.

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