“help endure climate change”, while beef and eating meat is one of the major contributors to climate change … This is wrong on so many levels.
FDA Approves First CRISPR Cows for Beef
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I don't know. My moral intitutions and reasoning fall apart if you remove suffering from the equation. By that logic it would also be okay to farm and eat humans if we eliminated their ability to suffer using CRISPR. What would you think of that? I don't even know where to start.
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That'd be an okay but irrelevant to meat eating point if I was against supply chain transparency and stopping slavery. I am very much happy to see anyone who has enslaved anyone going to prison for the rest of their life though, and I'm very happy for companies to find alternative sources to warlords and corrupt banana republics.
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> not needs, you can thrive on a vegetarian diet Not true for everyone. I have a specific health issue and to ingest the necessary daily intake of proteins solely through non-meat source would mean ingesting a lot more carbs that I can handle for a day. Also explain how would CRISPR increase the suffering of animals?
I don't think they were claiming that it increases suffering. But it doesn't decrease it either. We should at least decrease suffering, or ideally, eliminate it. CRISPR does not constitute any progress in that regard. If anything, it gives more people more excuses to continue supporting the suffering.
That is correct. Ideally we will move to lab grown meat or just lab grown edibles/drinkables that contain all the nutrients you need and you get to choose the ratio of nutrients for each meal.
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if you have literally no concern about the suffering of animals, then it's a good thing. If you think that the suffering of animals outweighs people's preferences (not needs, you can thrive on a vegetarian diet) then this is absolutely not good. I'm happy to see high prices for beef, and would be happy if everyone was priced out of eating it. As second best, I'd be happy if people at least considered the suffering th…
This is probably gonna sound a bit dystopian, but would you eat beef if we eliminated suffering with CRISPR? I don't get to talk to a lot of vegetarians/vegans so honest question.
I would, but I think the premise is unrealistic. The term “suffering” itself is pretty vague and undefined. You might be thinking of just removing pain receptors in the brain or something, but there are many more sources of suffering than just pain.
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#85This might be an unpopular opinion here but if this puts more beef on the table or at a lesser price, bring it on. I love beef. I want more people to have access to good quality beef at a competitive price. The pandemic for me saw meat in general double in price on average. I can't in good faith consume corn, tomatoes, tobacco, or even broccoli while saying I don't support GMO. It is not the same but it also is not a…
But the race to the bottom has shown that quality goes out the window. People will eat garbage if it's cheap and companies will cut any corners they can to get the price down.
Corn fed factory meat doesn't taste at all the same as grass fed organic free-range.
I'd rather pay quadruple for a piece of meat and only eat it once a week than the crap we get for cheap every day.
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#86“help endure climate change”, while beef and eating meat is one of the major contributors to climate change … This is wrong on so many levels.
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Re: FDA Approves First CRISPR Cows for Beef
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
if you have literally no concern about the suffering of animals, then it's a good thing. If you think that the suffering of animals outweighs people's preferences (not needs, you can thrive on a vegetarian diet) then this is absolutely not good. I'm happy to see high prices for beef, and would be happy if everyone was priced out of eating it. As second best, I'd be happy if people at least considered the suffering th…
This is probably gonna sound a bit dystopian, but would you eat beef if we eliminated suffering with CRISPR? I don't get to talk to a lot of vegetarians/vegans so honest question.
If you invent an animal that is designed to grow muscle tissue for harvesting and isn't sentient nor suffers, you've solved lab meat, in an organic container. While many vegns grew a distaste for meat, that would indeed satisfy the vegan principle of eliminating suffering.
However, the reason farm animals are so cheap is because they are conscious, autonomous meat machines that you can order around easily.
* You do enter into another question here about whether brain dead or deeply disabled people are ethical to be eaten. Most people would say no.
Re: FDA Approves First CRISPR Cows for Beef
#88judging from the article right above this one, soon we will see "Lawmakers Eats CRISPR Beef to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2055) (modernfarmer.com)"
Why 2055? Isn't it legal right now?
It will take some time for the public to take notice and create a meaningful movement against that thing. For nuclear, it took about 35 years before we saw public protest that was more than just three potentially mentally unstable folks raving about the end of the world.
Re: FDA Approves First CRISPR Cows for Beef
#89This might be an unpopular opinion here but if this puts more beef on the table or at a lesser price, bring it on. I love beef. I want more people to have access to good quality beef at a competitive price. The pandemic for me saw meat in general double in price on average. I can't in good faith consume corn, tomatoes, tobacco, or even broccoli while saying I don't support GMO. It is not the same but it also is not a…
Moves like this are not about improving the general conditions of the masses.
Please let's stop being so naive.
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I don't know. My moral intitutions and reasoning fall apart if you remove suffering from the equation. By that logic it would also be okay to farm and eat humans if we eliminated their ability to suffer using CRISPR. What would you think of that? I don't even know where to start.
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First, poor argument: https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/
Second, Apple is actually trying to make sure that doesn’t happen: https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/pdf/Apple-Comb...