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Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by verve_rat »

thematrixturtle wrote: post #172
verve_rat wrote: post #170

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Which seems logical on the face of it. Calves drink fresh milk all the time, and they are mostly fine.

Yes, but that's udder to mouth. When humans milk cows, they use at the very least possibly dirty hands & pails, and if it's a modern dairy there's much more equipment along the way.

I'm aware. I have milked cows before. I would imagine no one is milking by hand in western countries. It, quite literally, gets sucked out of the cows and into a vat. Farmers generally take good care of the milk and clean all the equipment, it is their income after all.

Not that I'm suggesting that raw milk is a good idea. I've drunk milk from the vat, and it is the cream content that gives it the different taste. But we invented civilisation for a reason.

And if someone is milking into a bucket, stay the fuck away from that stone age shit.

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Post by atchoo »

smcl wrote: post #192
blfr wrote: post #187

I have been drinking raw milk from one of these machines[1] and various grey market sources for years, routinely order steak tartare or make it at home, almost always with a raw egg yolk, not to mention raw fish, and never had an issue. There is a risk to everything but I've noticed online that Americans tend to focus on food safety a lot, keep their eggs in the coolers, freeze, pasteurize, and homogenize everything…

> keep their eggs in the coolers This is down to a very specific thing that happens in the USA and doesn't tend to happen here. If you wash an egg (because it has feathers or looks a little "dirty") you remove a sort of protective membrane[0] on the shell's surface which leaves it open to infection. To prevent this you need to refridgerate the eggs. That said, we do refridgerate eggs in the EU. Every supermarket I've…

> Every supermarket I've seen in UK

What? Eggs are not refrigerated in the UK. The tend to sit in the dry goods aisle near the flour and baking products.

https://www.google.com/search?q=uk+egg+supermarket+shelf+-ea...

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Post by dmurray »

verve_rat wrote: post #170
paganel wrote: post #137

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> The first thing my mom (and everyone else) did is to boil the milk to pasteurize it. Same here, in rural Romania (at least that's what my grandma was doing when me and my brother were kids). To be honest though, we (meaning me and my brother) did use to eat the foam-y thing that was present on top of the milk immediately after our grandma or grandpa had finished milking the cows. It was still worm, as it had just c…

Which seems logical on the face of it. Calves drink fresh milk all the time, and they are mostly fine.

Dogs drink from dirty puddles all the time, and they are mostly fine.

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Post by anttiharju »

guntars wrote: post #157

Reading these comments, if the world ended and the people here were left with a cow, half would starve to death and the other half would get sick. It’s just crazy to me that what was common knowledge a few generations ago is just gone. Yes, milk breeds bacteria like crazy. It’s exponential growth too so it’s bound to go bad and when it does, it happens quickly. But if you had to drink fresh milk that was still warm,…

> Yes, milk breeds bacteria like crazy. It’s exponential growth too so it’s bound to go bad and when it does, it happens quickly. But if you had to drink fresh milk that was still warm, you’d be fine. Mostly.

Reading the comments here is wild to me. I drank raw, cold milk for well over a decade in my childhood as my father had cows. Although this was in Finland, I would probably not dare drink raw milk elsewhere.

The cows were milked with machines that would immediately transport the milk to a tank that would keep it cold and constantly stir it. Even without constant stirring the milk would last for a day or two in the fridge. You would know from the smell if it had gone bad.

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Post by verve_rat »

dmurray wrote: post #213
verve_rat wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which seems logical on the face of it. Calves drink fresh milk all the time, and they are mostly fine.

Dogs drink from dirty puddles all the time, and they are mostly fine.

I think we are agreeing here. I was pointing out that baby cows don't immediately die after drinking from their mothers teat, so the same would probably hold for humans.

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Post by xythobuz »

b112 wrote: post #151
andi999 wrote: post #136

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What is wrong with raw meat? Here you can buy raw minced pork for direct consumption (on bread rolls) almost everywhere. Why should ppl get sick from that?

Raw pork meat is not fine, as pork can have many worms, and other things, humans can catch. Cooking kills these things. People eat raw eggs in North America, but that's safe because of antibiotics in chicken feed. Salmonella can kill. Beef is safer, which is why you only need char the outside to be safe.

In Germany eating raw minced pork is a specialty called "Mett". There are high safety standards and it is only allowed to be sold on the day of production, with care taken not to interrupt cooling, for example. It is generally considered very safe. Source: am German, eating it often.

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Post by jadyoyster »

blfr wrote: post #187

I have been drinking raw milk from one of these machines[1] and various grey market sources for years, routinely order steak tartare or make it at home, almost always with a raw egg yolk, not to mention raw fish, and never had an issue. There is a risk to everything but I've noticed online that Americans tend to focus on food safety a lot, keep their eggs in the coolers, freeze, pasteurize, and homogenize everything…

Are you sure that is raw milk in the machines? In my country "fresh milk" is pasteurized. Note that pasteurized milk tastes better than sterilized milk and still needs to be refrigerated.

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Post by ithkuil »

rightbyte wrote: post #184
folli wrote: post #92

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I think it's a modern western cultural thing that everything that's more 'natural', 'untreated', 'non-GMO'... is automatically considered more healthy, see also antivaxxers etc. Without any evidence of course.

If you eat "natural" (I dislike the term) food you have a chance of cutting away additive sugar that the manufacturer add way too much of in most ready made products. I.e. you get better food for an indirect reason. Like if you make your own müsli you might not add sugar, which the companies add to increase sales, and have more of the expensive nuts, that they cut down in share to increase margins since noone notices…

Yes, it often also boils down to giving it just a bit more of "care" (time, money) when producing and consuming.

This extends to other related topics as well. For example I had a colleague who went vegan and this meant she actually started to cook and care about the meals. This opened up a whole new dimension to life. I guess much depends also on where you happen the live and/or be brought up, and how strong the food culture is.

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Post by Thiez »

RealityVoid wrote: post #113
viraptor wrote: post #108

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And if your want to see full crazy, check https://old.reddit.com/r/RawMeat/ > Vomit, diarrhea, coughing, sneezing, sweating, are all ways that the body expels toxins.

Technically, at least vomit, really is a self protection mechanism of the body.

But the only 'toxins' it can get rid of are those you recently consumed, not the vague and unspecified toxins that the diet people claim build up in your body and must be purged.

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Post by cute_boi »

verve_rat wrote: post #211
thematrixturtle wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but that's udder to mouth. When humans milk cows, they use at the very least possibly dirty hands & pails, and if it's a modern dairy there's much more equipment along the way.

I'm aware. I have milked cows before. I would imagine no one is milking by hand in western countries. It, quite literally, gets sucked out of the cows and into a vat. Farmers generally take good care of the milk and clean all the equipment, it is their income after all. Not that I'm suggesting that raw milk is a good idea. I've drunk milk from the vat, and it is the cream content that gives it the different taste. Bu…

Farmers generally take good care of the milk and clean all the equipment, it is their income after all.

This is a big assumption w/o any sort of evidence. However, this only applies if farmer are drinking milk themselves. Kinda reminds me of agricultural practice where farmer don't put pesticides on the food they eat, but they add a lot of pesticides that goes into sales for high income.

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