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Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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> The first thing my mom (and everyone else) did is to boil the milk to pasteurize it. Same here, in rural Romania (at least that's what my grandma was doing when me and my brother were kids). To be honest though, we (meaning me and my brother) did use to eat the foam-y thing that was present on top of the milk immediately after our grandma or grandpa had finished milking the cows. It was still worm, as it had just c…

Which seems logical on the face of it. Calves drink fresh milk all the time, and they are mostly fine.

Calves inherit some antibodies by birth (which I also wonder what sort of antibodies one gets from raw animal milk)

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We make Kefir out of raw organic milk since years and never had any problem.

Fermentation such as in kefir, yogurt, cheese and so on is another way of getting rid of the harmful bacteria in milk. It is not as direct or safe as pasteurization or boiling, but it is more than safe enough.

It works by colonizing the milk with harmless bacteria/moulds which oucompete the harmful ones.

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Growing up in a village in India, we only ever bought raw milk because there was no packaged milk available. Everyone had a deal with a local farmer. Every morning or evening, we would walk over to the farmer's house, pick up our milk and bring it home. My family in India (and the whole village) still does that. And this is where the similarity ends. The first thing my mom (and everyone else) did is to boil the milk…

People in our villages drunk raw milk regularly. I did too. You have to drink it fresh and keep high hygiene, but it is not something extraordinary at all.

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> keep their eggs in the coolers This is down to a very specific thing that happens in the USA and doesn't tend to happen here. If you wash an egg (because it has feathers or looks a little "dirty") you remove a sort of protective membrane[0] on the shell's surface which leaves it open to infection. To prevent this you need to refridgerate the eggs. That said, we do refridgerate eggs in the EU. Every supermarket I've…

The eggs are not refrigerated in every country's supermarkets. Here is The Netherlands they sit on the shelf.

Same in the UK - I've never seen eggs in the fridge at the supermarket.

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Reading these comments, if the world ended and the people here were left with a cow, half would starve to death and the other half would get sick. It’s just crazy to me that what was common knowledge a few generations ago is just gone. Yes, milk breeds bacteria like crazy. It’s exponential growth too so it’s bound to go bad and when it does, it happens quickly. But if you had to drink fresh milk that was still warm,…

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Do you want shorter average lifespans? This is how you get them. By ignoring advances in things like food safety. > I used to get not full on sick, but pretty sick after eating raw or partially raw meat. You may think it's crazy, but I just continued doing it and eventually stopped getting diarrhea and cramps. This kills some people. Health advice isn't about you, it's about everyone. See also: wearing a mask during…

What a first-world take. And not just a first-world take, but a city-slicker first-world take. Auto-immune diseases and allergies are killing people and ruining lives. A little bit of bacteria doesn't hurt.

Auto-immune diseases and allergies are nowhere even slightly near as big a problem as dysentery and other food borne illnesses used to be. There are far more people who died of TB from contaminated milk alone than people dieing of allergies.

It's true that other aspects of improved care have also reduced the risk from food borne illnesses - antibiotics, clean water, IV rehydration and others.

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When I was a kid, we lived in a village in northeastern Slovakia. On the hill above the village there was a farm with a big herd of cows. And every morning at around 5, a tractor would bring a few dozen litres of milk down to a small shack just by our house. People were usually waiting in line already, in a room that stank of rancid milk, to get a liter or two. When we brought the milk home, we'd pour a cup and let i…

If you made cocoa you boiled the milk right? Thats you pasteurizing the milk, right? I’ll also contend that you probably did get sick but did not put 2 and 2 together at the time (just like how loads of people run around with a cough and a fever and are like “yeah but it’s not COVID”). The whole “I drink this all the time so it’s fine” is basically the whole point of food sanitation things in general. High risk stuff…

> you made cocoa you boiled the milk right? Thats you pasteurizing the milk, right?

No, there is no reason to boil it. But put sugary chocholate powder in it and mix.

> I’ll also contend that you probably did get sick but did not put 2 and 2 together at the time

No, the practice of drinking raw milk was super common in villages in that region. If you drink it fresh, the bakterias has no time to develop yet. If sickness was so sure, people would be sick constantly.

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I have been drinking raw milk from one of these machines[1] and various grey market sources for years, routinely order steak tartare or make it at home, almost always with a raw egg yolk, not to mention raw fish, and never had an issue. There is a risk to everything but I've noticed online that Americans tend to focus on food safety a lot, keep their eggs in the coolers, freeze, pasteurize, and homogenize everything…

> keep their eggs in the coolers This is down to a very specific thing that happens in the USA and doesn't tend to happen here. If you wash an egg (because it has feathers or looks a little "dirty") you remove a sort of protective membrane[0] on the shell's surface which leaves it open to infection. To prevent this you need to refridgerate the eggs. That said, we do refridgerate eggs in the EU. Every supermarket I've…

Where I'm from, eggs are not refrigerated in stores. We do mostly keep them in fridges, except if you get a lot, you put some in the fridge and the rest in the pantry. There is a problem if you store them in the fridge, then put them out, since the condensation may damage the protective membrane.

Reminder that chicks take 21 days to hatch, so a (healthy unfertilized) egg is still safe to eat after 3 weeks in the cupboard.

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When I was a kid, we lived in a village in northeastern Slovakia. On the hill above the village there was a farm with a big herd of cows. And every morning at around 5, a tractor would bring a few dozen litres of milk down to a small shack just by our house. People were usually waiting in line already, in a room that stank of rancid milk, to get a liter or two. When we brought the milk home, we'd pour a cup and let i…

It’s amazing that in a supposedly science-driven forum, an entire set of comments can imply that pasteurization, one of humanity’s great accomplishments, is a folly. People die from drinking raw milk. It is genuinely a risky thing to do. Not everyone will die but enough that society should work hard to limit it as much as possible.

I think that what you do here is fallacy. And very typical one for HN, where you ignore details and extrapolate original statement to mean something else.

OP did not said pasteurizarion is folly. You do it to preserve milk for longer term. Which something entirely different then drinking milk right after it was taken out of cow.

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Growing up in a village in India, we only ever bought raw milk because there was no packaged milk available. Everyone had a deal with a local farmer. Every morning or evening, we would walk over to the farmer's house, pick up our milk and bring it home. My family in India (and the whole village) still does that. And this is where the similarity ends. The first thing my mom (and everyone else) did is to boil the milk…

Isn't it normal for babies to drink raw milk in many cultures globally?

you mean the mother's milk - when they are still breastfeed? otherwise... no. cow raw milk is the exceptional exception.
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