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By this definition everything that can be resold is dynamically priced. The GP was trying to explain why airline tickets, but not consumer goods, are dynamically priced when sold by the original vendors .
Most goods that can be dynamically priced are dynamically priced. The thing is that most goods are not supply constrained. When there is competition and an unlimited supply people will just pretend they have a lower willingness to pay so dynamic pricing doesn't really work.
The Welfare Effects of Dynamic Pricing: Evidence from Airline Markets
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Re: The Welfare Effects of Dynamic Pricing: Evidence from Airline Markets
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Isn't the conclusion trivial? With perfect price discrimination, every buyer exposes their exact utility gain from buying the product, that's the price they'll pay for it. Of course the resource will be allocated optimally. Naturally in this situation only the seller will benefit from the transaction. Everyone else is +-0. Utility/"welfare" is maximized but consumers get none of it. And of course, in the end even tal…
> And of course, in the end even talking about utility assumes the price someone is willing to pay reflects their utility gain. This is the most fundamental assumption in economics, but it's pretty clear that in the real world this is not the case. Especially for luxury goods such as air travel. Why? I would expect luxury goods to reflect utility very accurately since they are not necessary purchases. If you are payi…
Or the utility a 80th percentile household in the US could buy for the same amount.
Re: The Welfare Effects of Dynamic Pricing: Evidence from Airline Markets
#33I agree with the paper's conclusions. Dynamic pricing is a good thing. But lets take a counterexample: Amazon tried this years ago. They changed pricing on the same sku based on who was shopping for it. The blowback was tremendous. Amazon had to actually back down. My take is that consumers understand and are willing to put up with dynamic pricing for airplane seats because the algorithm is presumably understood. I'm…
> Dynamic pricing is a good thing I'm not sure dynamic pricing is necessarily pareto improving (I think this might be what you mean by "is a good thing"? For folks that are learning this lingo, pareto improving -- at least one party better off and none worse off). I'd have to think through it a bit.
Re: The Welfare Effects of Dynamic Pricing: Evidence from Airline Markets
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Dynamic pricing is a good thing I'm not sure dynamic pricing is necessarily pareto improving (I think this might be what you mean by "is a good thing"? For folks that are learning this lingo, pareto improving -- at least one party better off and none worse off). I'd have to think through it a bit.
Plenty of good things are not pareto improvements. If someone is a little worse off but someone else is much better off that is a good thing.
Re: The Welfare Effects of Dynamic Pricing: Evidence from Airline Markets
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I never, ever, super-duper seriously ever again buy airline tickets from anybody but airlines directly. Use to be cheap like that, thinking how clever I was saving few bucks here and there just by using other seller for the same plane. I use search engine to look generally what's the pricing/timing situation but that's it. Then you hit issues, delayed flights etc. and every single helpdesk' first question is: did you…
I have just run into this with Bravofly. Bought two tickets with Singapore airlines. 4 legs were booked. 14 days before the flight I get an SMS saying Singapore Munich is cancelled. I ring through to Bravo and ask them to reschedule a the flight as is required under EU law. No problem sir we are into it. I think nothing of it. 5 days pass. No email and my booking has not changed. I ring again. Why is this taking so l…
But yes that's exactly why we buy directly. Compare it to our trip to Bolivia via Miami few years ago. Come to the airport, do you have US ESTA visa? Nope what is that? We dont' travel to US so don't know its policies, just want to fly to Bolivia. Yeah but you go via Miami, its not secured airport unlike most airports anywhere, you need full tourist US ESTA visa. OK we go to airlines helpdesk (British airways) by their recommendation, they do quick ESTA for us based on our passports.
All good, we fly to London, but then flight to Miami is a no-go at the gate, can't find our ESTA code. Some US personnel on the airport in Heathrow found out the person who made ESTA selected incorrect country in our application. 30 minutes to departure. Sorry no-go. Straight on the airport within 20 minutes we got free tickets for same flight next day and other remaining leg and did ESTA correctly ourselves.
I have few similar stories, but they all point to the same conclusion - its not worth the extra risk, especially if there are more legs and multiple airlines are involved. It all looks nice till first cancellation happens. The amount of frustration and stress can easily ruin any mental benefits of (usually quite costly due to 4 of us) vacations.
Re: The Welfare Effects of Dynamic Pricing: Evidence from Airline Markets
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
I never, ever, super-duper seriously ever again buy airline tickets from anybody but airlines directly. Use to be cheap like that, thinking how clever I was saving few bucks here and there just by using other seller for the same plane. I use search engine to look generally what's the pricing/timing situation but that's it. Then you hit issues, delayed flights etc. and every single helpdesk' first question is: did you…
I have just run into this with Bravofly. Bought two tickets with Singapore airlines. 4 legs were booked. 14 days before the flight I get an SMS saying Singapore Munich is cancelled. I ring through to Bravo and ask them to reschedule a the flight as is required under EU law. No problem sir we are into it. I think nothing of it. 5 days pass. No email and my booking has not changed. I ring again. Why is this taking so l…
When you book with Bravofly and equivalent, they book separate tickets for each leg with no promise of connection. That's how they get the cheapest possible fares. In the event of a cancellation of one of the flights the airline is obliged to offer you a rescheduled ticket between two destinations, but has no obligation to ensure the passenger gets from the start point to the end point of the original itinerary. So none of the alternative tickets SIA was obliged to offer Bravofly were any use to you. Bravofly don't have any obligation to reroute you either and even if they cared about goodwill I doubt their margins are big enough for them to volunteer alternative flights at their own expense.
Or put another way, I booked a cheap flight back to London via Zurich on their airBerlin's website. Couple in front of me booked the same route via Bravofly (as two separate tickets) for about £5 less. When airBerlin decided to cancel the flight to Zurich without telling some of their passengers until they arrived at the airport I got back to London around when I'd originally expected at airBerlin's expense on a better airline on a different route. The other couple got told they could have a flight to Zurich later that day if they still wanted it, but they'd miss the other flight back to London without compensation regardless. Or they could ring Bravofly and see if they'd help...
Re: The Welfare Effects of Dynamic Pricing: Evidence from Airline Markets
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> to raise prices because of my browsing habits, IP, or CC used? How would this work when most people get their flights through aggregators? I search for flights on Google Flights. I imagine Google Flights just hits a database somewhere to get times, prices, number of stops, etc.. rather than share my information with every airline.
I never, ever, super-duper seriously ever again buy airline tickets from anybody but airlines directly. Use to be cheap like that, thinking how clever I was saving few bucks here and there just by using other seller for the same plane. I use search engine to look generally what's the pricing/timing situation but that's it. Then you hit issues, delayed flights etc. and every single helpdesk' first question is: did you…
Re: The Welfare Effects of Dynamic Pricing: Evidence from Airline Markets
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most goods that can be dynamically priced are dynamically priced. The thing is that most goods are not supply constrained. When there is competition and an unlimited supply people will just pretend they have a lower willingness to pay so dynamic pricing doesn't really work.
This does explain why Playstations are not dynamically priced, but it fails to explain why concert tickets are not dynamically priced.
It's at least possibly bad for long-tern business. And in the case of small businesses, the owners may just not want to be that person.
For events, "list prices" are often gotten around by (in addition to ticket brokers being a thing) by various types of VIP seating, extras, and so forth which raise prices to closer to market levels while leaving normal ticket list prices--assuming you can get one.
Re: The Welfare Effects of Dynamic Pricing: Evidence from Airline Markets
#39Some notes for the non-economically schooled readers: - Ungated (working paper) versions are here[1] and here[2] - This was published in Econometrica, one of the top journals in economics. That doesn't mean that the results are true, but it means that the the math and methodology are probably sound. If you want to attack the results, the weaknesses are probably in the (implicit) model assumptions. - In economic lingo…
that's an objective-sounding position to take, but it's certainly not, even from a purely detached, academic perspective. in most situations, consumer surplus is better for a market and for the overall economy, because it provides more choice points for more efficient allocation. in the unfortunately rare case of a relatively fair and competitive market, producer surplus can be a net good, making the overall market and economy more efficient, but in practice, companies have shown time and again to be pretty poor allocators of capital because they necessarily take fewer bets with larger amassed asset pools. however, economists generally (implicitly) assume a priori that markets are relatively fair and competitive in their analyses (akin to assuming frictionless infinite planes).
all that's to say, size does matter, negatively beyond some optimal point on the economies of scale/scope curves. as such, markets are at their best when populated primarily by small- to medium-sized companies, with no artificial barriers to new entrants (e.g., not the airline industry).
no matter the 'prestigiousness' of the journal, seemingly small (implicit) assumptions like this that can have huge implications on results necessitates skepticism toward academic economics.
Re: The Welfare Effects of Dynamic Pricing: Evidence from Airline Markets
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> And of course, in the end even talking about utility assumes the price someone is willing to pay reflects their utility gain. This is the most fundamental assumption in economics, but it's pretty clear that in the real world this is not the case. Especially for luxury goods such as air travel. Why? I would expect luxury goods to reflect utility very accurately since they are not necessary purchases. If you are payi…
Does the $1k to go to Disney land buy the same utility as the $1k average yearly income in Bangladesh? Or the utility a 80th percentile household in the US could buy for the same amount.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility
> a utility function that represents a single consumer's preference ordering over a choice set but is not comparable across consumers. This concept of utility is personal and based on choice