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‘I’m Old, Not an Idiot.’ One Man’s Protest Gets Attention of Spanish Banks

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Re: ‘I’m Old, Not an Idiot.’ One Man’s Protest Gets Attention of Spanish Banks

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Post by namelessoracle »

naoqj wrote: post #14

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Dude has Parkinson's. Lots of older people also have serious vision problems. (and as much we stare at screens all day we should respect the hell out of this issue)

Also lots of old people have arthritis.

Tell me next how people asking for accessibility options are a pain in your ass.

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Post by naoqj »

deberon wrote: post #22
naoqj wrote: post #14

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I hope when you become an elder the next generation shows you the respect you are currently lacking.

I hope that when I become an elder I will keep up with the progress of the world so I don't become a burden to others.

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Post by masswerk »

ilamont wrote: post #8

The OECD published the results of a massive survey of member countries some years ago, titled "Skills Matter" ( https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/education/skills-matter_978926... ). The researchers defined 4 levels of technology proficiency, based on the types of tasks users can complete successfully. There was a very good summary published here ( https://www.nngroup.com/articles/computer-skill-levels/ ) and excerpted b…

Something I observe with people new to computing at an old age: They try to reduce any task to "below level 1", aiming at writing this down as a sequence of atomic steps of a recipe. There is no confidence in being able to remember how a task is to be achieved at any future point. There is also no confidence and therefor no interest in acquiring the basic grammar of user interfaces. (E.g., double-clicking is not linked to a general operation of opening something represented by an icon, but just another step in a list of how to conjure a certain view onto the screen, identify an "image" and then double clicking it.) – The real problem is the lack of confidence and therefor a lack of any further interest in learning and an anxiety regarding exploring. BTW, all members of my small (and anecdotical) sample are academics, who formerly held managerial or teaching positions. (Most of them also had some introduction to computers decades ago, but never used this in real life, thus never developing a practical skill.)

Now compare this to smartphone UIs based on swiping and hidden functionality. There's no chance.

Edit: Also 2FA, which requires complex interoperation on two different devices using dissimilar metaphors, each involving complex operations on their own. This is totally inaccessible.

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Post by jerf »

naoqj wrote: post #23
deberon wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope when you become an elder the next generation shows you the respect you are currently lacking.

I hope that when I become an elder I will keep up with the progress of the world so I don't become a burden to others.

The generation that is currently "elderly" is the generation that coined the phrase "Don't trust anyone over 30" [1].

How'd that work out for them?

You will not be the one who transcends being old. Especially in the way that this story involves physical infirmity.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Weinberg#%22Don't_trust_a...

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Post by [deleted] »

naoqj wrote: post #23
deberon wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope when you become an elder the next generation shows you the respect you are currently lacking.

I hope that when I become an elder I will keep up with the progress of the world so I don't become a burden to others.

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Post by kube-system »

rosndo wrote: post #19
jacquesm wrote: post #9

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I think paper invoices should continue to be the way that this is handled unless otherwise requested, if only because you are - where I live - supposed to be able to prove this sort of thing for many years to the tax man. All these electronic records can disappear into thin air without you even realizing it has happened and good luck on your tax audit 7 years into the future.

Why would you ever need to prove this kind of transactions to the tax man as an individual? As a business it’s your duty to take care of your recordkeeping, print out the invoices if you so prefer.

The first mortgage bill of the year typically includes tax statements for the prior year. Etc.

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Post by jasonlotito »

naoqj wrote: post #23
deberon wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope when you become an elder the next generation shows you the respect you are currently lacking.

I hope that when I become an elder I will keep up with the progress of the world so I don't become a burden to others.

Why do you only endeavor to not be a burden when you become older? Why are you okay with being a burden now?

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Post by wink »

It's kinda funny (in the sad way) that banks here are closing their branches and at the same time their online banking sucks (not even proper 2FA) and without the pandemic I still wouldn't be able to pay without cash in most bakeries. This is Germany.
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