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EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Post by dgb23 »

giorgioz wrote: post #65
emsy wrote: post #16

It will be fun to see how tech companies will react when they get to taste their own “my platform my rules” medicine.

ah wow this is a brilliant sentence! I never saw governments as platforms but they DO ARE! In fact I was always critizing Apple App Store 30% by saying: "What is the App Store a government that can charge me a 30% tax?" and in fact my fear is the reconstruction of a DIGITAL FEUDAL SYSTEM. Where there is a King that charge a tax and then there is smaller and smaller nesting of feudal lords that charge other taxes. KIN…

The economist Yanis Varoufakis elaborates on this. I think he makes a good and important point, and is incredibly smart and knowledgeable. But I also think this view of economy and corporations is too total. In the end these things are symptoms.

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Post by postingawayonhn »

giorgioz wrote: post #80
naoqj wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* Tech sector * The EU * Tech sector

Thanks for clarifying. >Included in the rules' scope will be platforms with a market capitalization of €75 billion or turnover in the European Economic Area equal to or above €7.5 billion So the rules are meant to target only the TOP part of the Tech Sector. Not the Whole Tech Sector. There could be backfires on everyone though. I do feel though that the Apple/Facebook/Microsoft/Google/Amazon are innovating less and…

> There has been a lot of talk on Hacker News on how Google search quality is decreasing.

I have a lot more faith in a viable competitor coming out of California than I do in EU regulations improving search results.

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Post by Vespasian »

M2Ys4U wrote: post #128
Vespasian wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trilog between the parliament and the member states decided upon a text. Next each chamber will vote on it but this is usually just a formality since they gave the negotiators a mandate beforehand. If it passes, the text will become a EU directive which needs to be incorporated into national law by the member states. After that it becomes enforceable.

>If it passes, the text will become a EU directive which needs to be incorporated into national law by the member states. The DMA is a Regulation, not a Directive. It doesn't need to be transposed in to national law in member states. Regulations become law across the whole EU (and usually the EEA as well) as soon as they are published in the Official Journal.

Aaah damn it you are right.

For some reason I thought it was a directive...

Too late to edit my comment.

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Post by humanrebar »

grishka wrote: post #96
dchftcs wrote: post #94

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If one side supports a feature, the other side doesn't, they're not interoperable.

If one side supports a feature and the other doesn't, they're still interoperable, just without that feature.

Liked "If one side supports a feature and the other doesn't, they're still interoperable, just without that feature."

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This is what my group chats look like when texting with iMessage users.

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Post by dtech »

chockchocschoir wrote: post #82
8fingerlouie wrote: post #17

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> meaning outfits such as WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger or iMessage will have to open up and interoperate with smaller messaging platforms The way i read it, they're calling for open standards, which can be a good thing. Sadly, open standards also slow down the development of new features, as everybody needs to be "on board" for new features to roll out. Take email (SMTP, IMAP, etc) as an example, where no major progr…

> Sadly, open standards also slow down the development of new features, as everybody needs to be "on board" for new features to roll out. Take email (SMTP, IMAP, etc) as an example, where no major progress has been made in 25+ years, despite the platform being hopelessly insecure. A more successful example of open standards would be the various standards that browsers use. Would you say that browser innovation has sl…

> Would you say that browser innovation has slowed down?

For a long time it was, everyone was stuck on HTML4 while W3C was playing with XHTML. That only really changed when browser vendors came together and collectively decided to ignore start ignoring W3C and made WhatWG. Although IE6 was also a major factor here.

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Post by belorn »

8fingerlouie wrote: post #17
hrnnnnnn wrote: post #2

> Parliament also succeeded in convincing the Council of interoperability requirements for messaging services, meaning outfits such as WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger or iMessage will have to open up and interoperate with smaller messaging platforms. For group chats, this requirement will be rolled out over a period of four years. This would be great. I remember using pidgin back in the day and it was really convenient…

> meaning outfits such as WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger or iMessage will have to open up and interoperate with smaller messaging platforms The way i read it, they're calling for open standards, which can be a good thing. Sadly, open standards also slow down the development of new features, as everybody needs to be "on board" for new features to roll out. Take email (SMTP, IMAP, etc) as an example, where no major progr…

Email is hard to replace in a similar way that BGP, IP, UDP and other old protocol is hard to replace. One need to have everyone switch everything, including hardware, at the same time in a coordinated fashion, and one also need to align incentives so that everyone agree that the money and time is worth the benefit of the new protocol.

Close standards is not inherently different (people who work in telecom can likely attest to that), but closed standards has a higher probability to be owned by a single entity. A single entity has a much easier time to coordinated a switch with themselves, or align their own incentives with their own incentives. If you are alone or don't need to work with others, cooperation is trivial. Obviously, having everything owned by the same entity also has its drawback. If you don't like the new price, features, tracking and forced advertisements, well tough luck. While spam is an issue with email, I am not forced to wait 3 seconds and click "skip add" every time I read an email. I also don't need to pay per email, in contrast to sms. Email could had been much worse if it was a closed standard owned by a single entity.

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Post by skywal_l »

chockchocschoir wrote: post #82
8fingerlouie wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> meaning outfits such as WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger or iMessage will have to open up and interoperate with smaller messaging platforms The way i read it, they're calling for open standards, which can be a good thing. Sadly, open standards also slow down the development of new features, as everybody needs to be "on board" for new features to roll out. Take email (SMTP, IMAP, etc) as an example, where no major progr…

> Sadly, open standards also slow down the development of new features, as everybody needs to be "on board" for new features to roll out. Take email (SMTP, IMAP, etc) as an example, where no major progress has been made in 25+ years, despite the platform being hopelessly insecure. A more successful example of open standards would be the various standards that browsers use. Would you say that browser innovation has sl…

The Personal Computer is also a successful standard in my opinion. We see constant innovation but with interoperability. It's a little messy sometimes but keeps prices low and innovation high.

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Post by upofadown »

pooper wrote: post #107
8fingerlouie wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> meaning outfits such as WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger or iMessage will have to open up and interoperate with smaller messaging platforms The way i read it, they're calling for open standards, which can be a good thing. Sadly, open standards also slow down the development of new features, as everybody needs to be "on board" for new features to roll out. Take email (SMTP, IMAP, etc) as an example, where no major progr…

> Feel free to replace email for TCPv4/v6. The only successful open standard i can think of would be HTTP. Btw, does anyone here remember off hand what happened to the "concern" the banking industry had with TLS 1.3? My understanding is someone just came in at the last moment and basically wanted to change the entire design of TLS 1.3 because their workflow would no longer work because of forward secrecy. https://new…

Just secrecy I think. The complaint was that it would be harder to monitor TLS traffic in an organization by doing a man in the middle attack.

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Post by emteycz »

zdkl wrote: post #33
Zenst wrote: post #27

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Time they did anything, the problem/market had sorted itself out.

You believe the (very public) inquiries had no effect on the market?

I don't remember any public inquires having any kind of effect. I remember Chrome being much better and people switching because of that.
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