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EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Post by kreeben »

elvischidera wrote: post #126
igorkraw wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Small correction: the indie devs just building cools shit are fine under GDPR. The indie dev who wants to monetize his community while not caring about the externalities of possibly leaking their information has a headache. If your business model depends on creating undesirable externalities for your "users" then you don't have my sympathy. The only shame is that we still need to enforce GDPR properly on large player…

What's the limit that an indie could go without caring about GDPR. Is it actually until they want to be "commercial"?

It's not until you decide you want to start tracking people or in other ways use their PII that you should become worried, indie or not.

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Post by sofixa »

elvischidera wrote: post #126
igorkraw wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Small correction: the indie devs just building cools shit are fine under GDPR. The indie dev who wants to monetize his community while not caring about the externalities of possibly leaking their information has a headache. If your business model depends on creating undesirable externalities for your "users" then you don't have my sympathy. The only shame is that we still need to enforce GDPR properly on large player…

What's the limit that an indie could go without caring about GDPR. Is it actually until they want to be "commercial"?

No, it's until they decide they want to abuse personal data.

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Post by bergie »

philjohn wrote: post #53
zdkl wrote: post #33

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You believe the (very public) inquiries had no effect on the market?

I don't - I think a better product came along, one that was aggressively pushed by the dominant search engine that swathes of the internet used each day (which is not in and of itself a good thing either, FWIW).

Microsoft couldn’t employ their standard anticompetitive playbook on Chrome due to the antitrust process. So that gave it a chance to become viable.

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Post by ckastner »

naoqj wrote: post #102
ckastner wrote: post #95

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> It's so easy to destroy a sector when you have nothing to lose. The EU is choosing to favor acting on behalf of their people, rather than some sector. If that sector can't make money in ways that are not immoral with regards to the people, so be it. For example: Why shouldn't a 30%-fee walled garden be destroyed?

Because it's their corporation and they can do whatever they want with it, and because it's far from a monopoly since there are alternatives.

> Because it's their corporation and they can do whatever they want with it

No, they can't do whatever they want with it. Consumer protection laws are an obvious example for how corporate interests can be limited.

> because it's far from a monopoly since there are alternatives.

It's a duopoly. iOS and Android together represent about 98% of mobile devices.

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Post by Rayhem »

Hamcha wrote: post #120
naoqj wrote: post #102

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Because it's their corporation and they can do whatever they want with it, and because it's far from a monopoly since there are alternatives.

The scope at which those alternatives exist are different than where the monopoly is established. Ie. The App Store has a monopoly on iOS, but iOS does not have a monopoly in the mobile space. This is like saying a state-mandated ISP/Gas company wouldn't be a monopoly since you can just move to another country. You might wanna push the argument that nobody is forcing you to use iOS, but I think the problem runs deepe…

> the option for not having the official COVID green pass app here in Italy is to find an authorized place that will print you a green pass on paper, and it's hard to find one, let alone schedule everything and get there without a pre-existing pass

Apple's pseudomonopoly does not strike me as the root cause issue here, developing processes and using tech to solve a people problem does.

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Post by bongoman37 »

hrnnnnnn wrote: post #2

> Parliament also succeeded in convincing the Council of interoperability requirements for messaging services, meaning outfits such as WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger or iMessage will have to open up and interoperate with smaller messaging platforms. For group chats, this requirement will be rolled out over a period of four years. This would be great. I remember using pidgin back in the day and it was really convenient…

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Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Post by madeofpalk »

naoqj wrote: post #102
ckastner wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's so easy to destroy a sector when you have nothing to lose. The EU is choosing to favor acting on behalf of their people, rather than some sector. If that sector can't make money in ways that are not immoral with regards to the people, so be it. For example: Why shouldn't a 30%-fee walled garden be destroyed?

Because it's their corporation and they can do whatever they want with it, and because it's far from a monopoly since there are alternatives.

> Because it's their corporation and they can do whatever they want with it

That is not true. there are many things corporations cannot do even if they want to. There's lots of different regulations that impose restrictions and obligations on companies against "what they want".

So now it's just defining where that line is, which is what law-making is.

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Post by michaelt »

kmlx wrote: post #111
grishka wrote: post #96

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If one side supports a feature and the other doesn't, they're still interoperable, just without that feature.

how are they interoperable when one side uses a feature and the other doesn't support it? that's just degrading the experience... and this is just one small reason why the industry decided against moving forward with this decades ago. it simply didn't make any sense then, certainly doesn't make sense now.

> how are they interoperable when one side uses a feature and the other doesn't support it?

The answer to that is: It depends.

For example, HTTP2 is basically an invisible upgrade which is faster (sometimes). If either end doesn't support it, falling back to a prior version is transparent to the user.

On the other hand, if you want to update IRC to be more like Slack/Discord, with features like oauth2 login? Well then clients that don't support it won't be able to connect.

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Post by sofixa »

Honestly that's some great news and it was about time for such a regulation. It will curtail monopolies/oligopolies and enable a lot of new innovation. Win-win, with the only "losers" ( as in lower profit margins, not actually losing anything) being the huge tech companies like Google, Meta and Apple.

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Post by postingawayonhn »

ckastner wrote: post #95
naoqj wrote: post #45

It's so easy to destroy a sector when you have nothing to lose.

> It's so easy to destroy a sector when you have nothing to lose. The EU is choosing to favor acting on behalf of their people, rather than some sector. If that sector can't make money in ways that are not immoral with regards to the people, so be it. For example: Why shouldn't a 30%-fee walled garden be destroyed?

I don't feel like I need protecting by the EU. Overall I'm very happy with the products produced by the US tech sector.
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