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EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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One reason the EU missed out on the internet is our unlimited willingness to be regulated. And we keep piling more and more bureaucracy on top of it. This only cements the power of US big tech like Google and Facebook. And it sets the stage for the next big applications of the web all being build outside the EU as well. Here in Germany, everyone is afraid to start a web startup. And if they do, they spend endless amo…

> One reason the EU missed out on the internet is our unlimited willingness to be regulated.

Bollocks. The key difference between here and the US is the simple fact that we don't have enormous amounts of "dumb money" from pension and hedge funds screaming to be invested into anything that remotely smells like it could be worth money one time - remember Yo! which got 1M funding?! - and then founders making big money at IPO time, which many of them then choose to invest into new startups.

That means that you have to either rely on philantropic investors, family or borrow money from banks at ridiculous interest rates (and often requiring deposit of a car/house or other expensive assets to back the loan).

Navigating GDPR and the laws here is easy - one might say, life is even easier here than in the US for startups because you don't have to fear getting kicked in the nuts over bogus patent and other IP claims or absurd multi-million dollars civil damages lawsuits.

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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post #8

One reason the EU missed out on the internet is our unlimited willingness to be regulated. And we keep piling more and more bureaucracy on top of it. This only cements the power of US big tech like Google and Facebook. And it sets the stage for the next big applications of the web all being build outside the EU as well. Here in Germany, everyone is afraid to start a web startup. And if they do, they spend endless amo…

In this case, the rules only apply to corporations with large enough revenue, so startups remain unaffected.

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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> mandates to allow users to install apps from third-party platforms

Some people at Apple are getting a headache right now. Other companies that have been dabbling with the idea to lock down their OS probably too.

If this happens my next phone might even be an iPhone.

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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post #7

> EU officials have agreed on landmark rules I'm not sure what this means in terms of the timeline. Will it be voted for in European Parliament and if yes, when? To what extent this may be changed in the final edition? And if it's adopted as a law, how much of a grace period will the companies have?

Yes, somewhat reminded that some things move slow. Of note I remember the whole Microsoft monoply for web browser fiasco by the EU with the time they got around to a rulling/actioning, Google had come out of no were and usurped Microsoft as the dominante browser.

Why do you say it was a fiasco ? It seems to have worked as expected, browsers are much better than IE from those days due to competition.

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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post #2

> Parliament also succeeded in convincing the Council of interoperability requirements for messaging services, meaning outfits such as WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger or iMessage will have to open up and interoperate with smaller messaging platforms. For group chats, this requirement will be rolled out over a period of four years. This would be great. I remember using pidgin back in the day and it was really convenient…

> meaning outfits such as WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger or iMessage will have to open up and interoperate with smaller messaging platforms

The way i read it, they're calling for open standards, which can be a good thing.

Sadly, open standards also slow down the development of new features, as everybody needs to be "on board" for new features to roll out. Take email (SMTP, IMAP, etc) as an example, where no major progress has been made in 25+ years, despite the platform being hopelessly insecure.

There has been some unsuccesful attempts at security, like PGP and Protonmail/Tutanota, but as they're addons they haven't seen widespread adoption.

Feel free to replace email for TCPv4/v6. The only successful open standard i can think of would be HTTP.

Open standards, once they mature, usually mean "lowest common denominator".

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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post #8

One reason the EU missed out on the internet is our unlimited willingness to be regulated. And we keep piling more and more bureaucracy on top of it. This only cements the power of US big tech like Google and Facebook. And it sets the stage for the next big applications of the web all being build outside the EU as well. Here in Germany, everyone is afraid to start a web startup. And if they do, they spend endless amo…

> One reason the EU missed out on the internet is our unlimited willingness to be regulated. Bollocks. The key difference between here and the US is the simple fact that we don't have enormous amounts of "dumb money" from pension and hedge funds screaming to be invested into anything that remotely smells like it could be worth money one time - remember Yo! which got 1M funding?! - and then founders making big money a…

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Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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post #8

One reason the EU missed out on the internet is our unlimited willingness to be regulated. And we keep piling more and more bureaucracy on top of it. This only cements the power of US big tech like Google and Facebook. And it sets the stage for the next big applications of the web all being build outside the EU as well. Here in Germany, everyone is afraid to start a web startup. And if they do, they spend endless amo…

Oh, man, such a shame about all these laws.. [checks notes].. protecting users from predatory company behavior. Things would be so much easier if we didn't have those laws - we could all start web startups.

Re: EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants

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post #2

> Parliament also succeeded in convincing the Council of interoperability requirements for messaging services, meaning outfits such as WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger or iMessage will have to open up and interoperate with smaller messaging platforms. For group chats, this requirement will be rolled out over a period of four years. This would be great. I remember using pidgin back in the day and it was really convenient…

Pidgin is still there, still works and supports modern chat platforms too, via plugins:

https://pidgin.im/plugins/

Of course, some platforms ban you for using alternate clients.

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