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Post by bko »

colechristensen wrote: post #255
nostrademons wrote: post #208

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Inflation, probably followed by corruption. Minimum wage would rise to the point where a person could afford a 1BR apartment within a 1 hour drive without traffic. Then the rents of those 1BR apartments would rise to capture that new minimum wage. Then minimum wage would rise to afford the new rent, and so on. Eventually someone's going to say "Hey, I own an apartment block downtown, I'm supposed to rent it out to th…

Zoning. You link the "zones which employ people" and "zones which house people" to balance so you don't have significantly more jobs than homes. Next you zone for type of housing, where you only allow a certain percentage of the most profitable 1BR apartments to be built, and require those to be above certain size thresholds so that a variety of life situations can actually live in your city. You don't need to "incen…

Better yet, you can just have the government build the housing.

The state has all the information it needs, and anything it doesn't have it can find out by mandating businesses comply. It then figures out exactly the housing needs in a given location and build that housing. It doesn't need to be fancy and wasteful like the private market tends to build. It's meant to just house people efficiently. It would be a lot cheaper than current options and we can be sure there's enough supply. It could distribute the housing based on needs. Family of 4 gets a bigger apartment than a single person.

What could go wrong?

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

google234123 wrote: post #281
colechristensen wrote: post #255

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Zoning. You link the "zones which employ people" and "zones which house people" to balance so you don't have significantly more jobs than homes. Next you zone for type of housing, where you only allow a certain percentage of the most profitable 1BR apartments to be built, and require those to be above certain size thresholds so that a variety of life situations can actually live in your city. You don't need to "incen…

Ok, in California for example, before this works, you need to undo most of the anti-building laws (these are mostly environmental related btw - not sure if you would be happy with removing them), corrupt permitting boards, and also do some reform on the lawsuit system (since everyone sues you when you start building). Also there are tons of accessibility related laws that make building more expensive - e.g. you must…

> If you dont change any of this, a new "affordable 1br apartment will probably cost 700K.

There are places in California where you can get a single family home, let alone a 1br apartment, for around $200k. Let’s not kid ourselves and substitute California for when we really mean LA or the Bay Area (places where people want to live, as opposed to susanville, where most people don’t want to live).

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Post by strogonoff »

tharne wrote: post #408
strogonoff wrote: post #394

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When there are no real infrastructural/environmental limitations for population growth in sight, “our region doesn’t want to grow” paints a picture of some residents placing their own emotional attachment to how things used to be above all else.

> When there are no real infrastructural/environmental limitations for population growth in sight, “our region doesn’t want to grow” paints a picture of some residents placing their own emotional attachment to how things used to be above all else. What exactly is the problem with that? The only thing that welcomes growth forever is cancer, and economists.

We are not discussing restricting human reproduction. Keeping low density strictly ensures humans spread wider and live with larger environmental footprint to appease those averse to change in a futile attempt to hold on to the past.

To make your proposal more reality-compatible, “people should be comfortable when a region has to grow”. This means people’s attitudes as well as infrastructure’s capability to handle increased number of people.

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Post by AniseAbyss »

endisneigh wrote: post #3

I wonder what the USA would look like if minimum wage was defined as; two people being able to afford a 1 bedroom apartment within a 1 hour drive without traffic. The static (both in the nominal and inflation adjusted sense) for minimum wage doesn't make sense imo. Minimum wage should be tied to some level of living (not necessarily a great living, but something ) This guy smh

Obviously you could set up a very complex super computer run socialist system of welfare subsidies (European countries do it) that makes life better for the poors but that only works if you can get the rest of society on board to actually give a shit.

I was impressed with the Trump cheques though. Did not think the US would just helicopter drop money into the economy like that.

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Post by antiterra »

ben_w wrote: post #279
colechristensen wrote: post #255

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Zoning. You link the "zones which employ people" and "zones which house people" to balance so you don't have significantly more jobs than homes. Next you zone for type of housing, where you only allow a certain percentage of the most profitable 1BR apartments to be built, and require those to be above certain size thresholds so that a variety of life situations can actually live in your city. You don't need to "incen…

From what I’ve seen in and outside America, my gut feeling (I don’t claim expertise) is that zoning can make things worse. The apartment directly under mine is used as an office. Down and to one side is a psychiatrist. Ground floor is a cafe and a pizza takeaway. The apartment opposite me has a grocery store on the ground floor, an office on the second, a dentist on the third, and it looks like the rest of the units…

Mixed light-commercial and residential is all over the place in US cities. Those places work best when they are supported by transit and fully walkable resources, which often limits their adoption in the US to areas that are highly dense or have newer commuter rail development. Zoning can keep big lot single homes and giant warehouse areas from disrupting those spaces.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

crate_barre wrote: post #397
greiskul wrote: post #335

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There is also the Georgian explanation that rent seeking landlords will always increase rent to match any gains in production. Assuming that a landlord will always charge the maximum they can that market will sustain, any increase in production will mean an increase in what the market can pay for housing, and with time, what the landlord can extract from tenants. It neatly explains how cost of living correlates to jo…

Isn’t that where remote work kicks in but we’re too stupid to realize? If the tech people don’t need to concentrate in one area, good luck jacking up the prices to siphon off that wealth. Tech needs to create a box. Literally, a hurricane proof box that that plugs into plumbing. Drop it anywhere in the world and fucking live in it. It’s the same box for everyone, like the iPhone, iPhones are not more expensive in Bay…

Tech people, even those working from home full time, have to contend with living somewhere nice with good schools and perhaps a place for their partner to work (if they can’t WFH also). Given that those places tend to correlate with expensive real estate, it doesn’t seem like WFH is going to do this work for us.

Techies just don’t want to live in just boxes.

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Post by gotaquestion »

imgabe wrote: post #298
gotaquestion wrote: post #284

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> How about people figure out how much money they need to afford the lifestyle they want and then get a job that pays that much? What if your lifestyle consists of: 1. pay off student loans in 10 years 2. be able to take transit to work (can't afford a car) 3. save at least 5% of take home pay to get a used car 4. eat ramen and salad 5. maybe see a movie once a month, or go to a bar twice a month 6. internet & cell p…

> And the only job you can get doesn't even pay for that? Then the solution is to make yourself capable of getting other jobs.

I guess they should take on more college debt to get a programming degree, right? Or in your world, the minimum wage is just for kids, is that it? Or it is just their fault that you got lucky where something you like is high paying, and something they like and are good at pays shit?

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

astrange wrote: post #311
XorNot wrote: post #195

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It is however realistic given the the US's urban layout and population preferences. Also nowhere has succeeded in keeping essential, low paid workers living near where they work - gentrification forces them out.

Tokyo has. Their population continually grows and their rent is flat. The secret is Japan doesn't let cities run their own zoning, because they'd just use it to ban new people but try to keep the jobs.

You can also rent really small apartments that wouldn’t be allowed in the west. 2.5 tatami, no shower in building, shared toilet, no central heating, $250/month.

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Post by earthboundkid »

endisneigh wrote: post #3

I wonder what the USA would look like if minimum wage was defined as; two people being able to afford a 1 bedroom apartment within a 1 hour drive without traffic. The static (both in the nominal and inflation adjusted sense) for minimum wage doesn't make sense imo. Minimum wage should be tied to some level of living (not necessarily a great living, but something ) This guy smh

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